Source: Parker tells Niners that Crabtree will re-enter draft
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Mike
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The NFL has to be careful though because football is a very popular sport. XFL could have competed with the NFL if the XFL had been run better and not tried to grow so quickly.
UFL is there now, and people will watch. If the NFL hammers down the salaries for rookies, you could see a movement for some players from the NFL draft to the UFL as that league begins to expand.
The rookie cap works well for the NBA because there is no competition, or at least it was until now when players are being courted into leaving the United States.
It amazes me sometimes. We are a nation built on capitalism, yet we get worked up over seeing the system in play in things like sports.
UFL is there now, and people will watch. If the NFL hammers down the salaries for rookies, you could see a movement for some players from the NFL draft to the UFL as that league begins to expand.
The rookie cap works well for the NBA because there is no competition, or at least it was until now when players are being courted into leaving the United States.
It amazes me sometimes. We are a nation built on capitalism, yet we get worked up over seeing the system in play in things like sports.
Sgt John
Sith Lord of T&A
Competition is a good thing IMO.
Its well known I love professional wrestling. Wrestling was at its height in the mid to late 1990s when the fans had WWE and WCW in competition trying to be #1. It brought out the best in both parties, and the stronger organization won.
Competition helped the AFL become what it was before the merger with the NFL, and the NFL became what it is in large part to being pushed for survival.
I agree with your thoughts on captialism, but then again look at where we are now. 17 year old kids would leave HS early if it were possible to get that fat D1 scholly at the right school.
Those same kids and others who blow up in college would leave after their freshman year if the NFL would allow it.
At some point the madness needs a cap. Lets look at Aaron Curry, a man who is probably one of the most decent human beings Ive seen come into the NFL in many a year. This guy was a stellar LB in college and a stellar person all around.
He just signed a contract worth $60 million dollars with $34 million dollars guarenteed. He has not played a down in the NFL, but he makes more money than Brian Urlacher, Ray Lewis, DeMarcus Ware, and Patrick Willis to name a few. If ANYONE in this years draft deserved a big pay day, it was a man the caliber of Aaron Curry, but its not fair he is making far more money than the titans of the position who have been doing this at an insanely high level for years.
Its well known I love professional wrestling. Wrestling was at its height in the mid to late 1990s when the fans had WWE and WCW in competition trying to be #1. It brought out the best in both parties, and the stronger organization won.
Competition helped the AFL become what it was before the merger with the NFL, and the NFL became what it is in large part to being pushed for survival.
I agree with your thoughts on captialism, but then again look at where we are now. 17 year old kids would leave HS early if it were possible to get that fat D1 scholly at the right school.
Those same kids and others who blow up in college would leave after their freshman year if the NFL would allow it.
At some point the madness needs a cap. Lets look at Aaron Curry, a man who is probably one of the most decent human beings Ive seen come into the NFL in many a year. This guy was a stellar LB in college and a stellar person all around.
He just signed a contract worth $60 million dollars with $34 million dollars guarenteed. He has not played a down in the NFL, but he makes more money than Brian Urlacher, Ray Lewis, DeMarcus Ware, and Patrick Willis to name a few. If ANYONE in this years draft deserved a big pay day, it was a man the caliber of Aaron Curry, but its not fair he is making far more money than the titans of the position who have been doing this at an insanely high level for years.
Cerberus
In Dog We Trust
That would be a total mess. He would make ridiculious amount of money for being out of football for a year by then.
Skedar120
Buccaneer Faithful
And this is the epitome of the entire argument.
Competition? Great!
Talent coming up every year? Great!
Extreme salary on the premise that you may be good? Something is very wrong with that.
I can understand the capitalism argument that Mike brought up, but let's compare it to a real world situation.
I am training to be a pilot as my career. It's a long road to be certified, and my first big job is going to be as a commercial pilot. Now, if U.S. Air was to look at my resume and offer me a job, there is no way I would turn it down. I would not, however, demand to be paid higher than their top pilot before I have even taxied one plane. Even if I did, they would look at me like I'm insane, and cut me loose on the spot. And let's say that even that didn't happen. If I crashed my fist 3 planes, I am sure I would be fired.
On the flip side, I am now the top pilot for their company. Some new recruit fresh out of school is hired and makes $1 million more than me. Oh, and he's going to take over half of my flights. Yeah, he's a good pilot, but his flights often run late (his own fault), and he doesn't deal well with other crew passengers. But he gets to keep his money anyway. I think I'm well within my rights to be pissed off.
I have no problem with having rookies sign 1-2 year contracts worth a couple million dollars. That way, you are giving them the motivation to perform the best they possibly can. After that, start giving them the big money.
For the life of me, I can't understand why these players are breaking records for rookie contract salaries every year and they haven't played yet.
It has to start somewhere, because the media, agents, and even the players union have engraved in a rookie's mind that he deserves this much money right now.
Call me old-fashioned, but I think performance should translate into pay and benefits, not speculation.
Cooley Cadets
Banned
Your position, which appears to blame the rookies definitely appears to be supportive of the owners.
I can agree the pay structure is way out of whack but you can say the same thing about veterans who sign big contracts and then never live up to expectations as well. That being the case why not put everyone on a basic pay structure and everything is incentive based?
Cooley Cadets
Banned
Well yaa, but what else was I going to poke the sleeping wolverine about? :grin:
Cerberus
In Dog We Trust
DUDE, i can't explain it again. Its clear as day what i am saying. Not once have i supported or backed either the rookies or owners.
All your saying there is everything i and everybody else has said, ok typed, all through this thread.
First of all there is no way in hell you can compare an NFL job to a pilot job at US Air. Never seen 70,000 people show up to watch an airplane land. Never seen a US Air fan spend $70 on an US Air jacket with their favorite pilot's name on the back. Players aren't only being paid based on their NFL talent. Like Reggie Bush or not, how much money did he generate for the Saints organization. His arguement could easily be that he deserves crazy rookie money even though he hasn't lived up to expectations just because he still brought in revenue and puts fans in the stands. Plus you want to pay proven vets. At some point these guys start to go downhill. The organizations aren't paying for talent only. They pay for upside, fan excitement (and by default - fan financial support through merchandising, ticket sales, etc.) and talent.
Don't get me wrong, I think these guys get paid too much money as rookies as well, I'm just wanting everyone to think it all the way through. Should the organizations make all of the money, when alot of fans (although I'd classify them as cheap whoring fair weather fans) come to see the players. I'm a Colts fan since they were in Baltimore (them moving to Indy made me as happy as a pig in shite), but you can't imagine how many more fans we got once we drafted and signed Peyton Manning to a huge pay day (huge at the time).
Don't get me wrong, I think these guys get paid too much money as rookies as well, I'm just wanting everyone to think it all the way through. Should the organizations make all of the money, when alot of fans (although I'd classify them as cheap whoring fair weather fans) come to see the players. I'm a Colts fan since they were in Baltimore (them moving to Indy made me as happy as a pig in shite), but you can't imagine how many more fans we got once we drafted and signed Peyton Manning to a huge pay day (huge at the time).
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joefan71
Pitbulls on Crack
Now you're talking and while we are at it let's not stop there. Think of the implications of doing this with politicians, bureaucrats , and other government employees. Hell most of them would end up owing us money!
Sgt John
Sith Lord of T&A
For an example you most certainly can.
Drew Brees and Katrina had more to do with it.
Who would you rather see play on Sunday. Mark Sanchez or Tom Brady? Methinks youd rather see Tom Brady. Pay the vets the big money and let the rooks EARN it. If the excitement is truly to see the player, the money wont matter.
Because the immediate perception was the Colts were now going to be a good football team. People would have believed that if Peyton was paid $1000 or $1000000.
Ok, you can, it's just not a good example and you're not comparing apples to apples.
I wasn't aware that people bought #25 jerseys because of Brees and Katrina. This arguement is complete rubbish. Reggie Bush was the most electrifying player in college football and that brought fans in.
You missed the point. I asked if the organization should make all of the money instead of the players. If fans come to watch the players, the players should reap some of the benefit as well.
Why would they perceive that the Colts were now going to be good without seeing Peyton take a single NFL snap? Thanks for supporting my arguement.
Again, you're just being stubborn. We'll have to agree to disagree. All I'm saying is there is more to it than just paying a shit ton of money to someone who hasn't shown their talent at the next level. I do agree that it's excessive, but I probably don't think it's as excessive as you do. Agree with me or don't, it doesn't matter. This is my opinion and I have certainly used valid arguements to support it. Your arguements are valid as well, I just don't think you're looking at every aspect.
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Coachnorm
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Leave my ex-girlfriend out of this, please. :grin:
eaglechick
I'm back :)
if boldin had had a standard 1-2 year contract when he started, would he have gotten the big money afterwards? just curious--hasn't he suffered from not getting a big payday from the get-go?
Coachnorm
Moderator
Actually I think the Cards gave Boldin an extension first before addressing Fitz which made Boldin happy then.
This is correct. Boldin has been extended once I believe. But Fitz got extended at a higher contract. Boldin has basically out performed his current rate...but that is the risk when you take an extension early. I will say Boldin has had multiple injuries as well....but still worth the money.
To EC's point though, there is no way to make everyone happy. But to be fair to all, I think a rookie salary cap like NBA has is the best. Sign, prove you can play..then you can go for big bucks. Honestly, I would like to see a big signing break like NBA has as well, so if teams need to go over cap to keep one of its stars...they can.