SO Members Mock Draft Disscussion Thread

[jmsmith1]

While I appreciate your enthusiasm. I think you are wrong....again.

Wr is not a dire need for Philly. YOU may not like the Wrs they have, but they do. Of the WRs you have listed, none really are worth this high a pick, IMO.

As for TE, yes I do think they will draft a TE at some point. I was really hoping Cook might fall to them in this round. Stupid I know..but there it is. I just am not as high on Coffman as you are. I will follow the Philly mold and not reach for a player just for perceived need.

Yes OT is a need. I have a few I like, but Kopog is not at the top of that list

And thus is the reason why ye shall fail yet again to win the NFC. You say WR is not a dire need? Hmmmm.....lets see....

DeSean Jackson was your leading receiver with 912 yards. Your second best reciever was Baskett with 440 yards and third was Brian Westbrook, with only 402 yards. Jackson only caught 2 TDs all year, and Westbrook caught 5, and Baskett caught 3!!!
Baskett is maybe a third WR, but if you think that Jackson is a #1 WR, then you definitely need a #2. And then look at the TE situation.....they only caught I believe 4 TDs? For a team that managed to ranked 6th in the NFC in passing, you have a roster loaded full of part time threats.

And to OT. Jamon Meredith was the best rated OT on the board and was rated ahead of Loadholt. I actually wanted Meredith, but Kropog is just as solid of a tackle, and both grade out to mid second to early third rounders. The drop off after Kropog is somewhat significant.

Now as for TE. I think you chose the right position, but you really reached for a guy you could've gotten later. Shawn Nelson grades to a mid 3rd to early 4th round. You still have guys like Coffman (and you said you werent that high on him), but their is still Beckum from Wisconsin and James Casey from Rice. No doubt Nelson could be a sleeper, but you grabbed him a whole round faster than you needed to....

But hey....thats the fun right? We can agree to disagree!

 

[WesDawg]

Look at it this way JM. The more people that choose guys that you don't like increases the chance that your favorites will fall to you later.

P.S.- Stop name-dropping guys when you're not on the clock!! lol

 

[lemmer]

With selecting Ron Brace for altanta it will give them the nose tackle the were looking for last year when they were thinking of taking Dorsey last year instead of Ryan

 

[Arctic Dawgs]

Selected Players Master list update to 2- 55 Falcons (Ron Brace)

 

[Phicinfan]

And thus is the reason why ye shall fail yet again to win the NFC. You say WR is not a dire need? Hmmmm.....lets see....

DeSean Jackson was your leading receiver with 912 yards. Your second best reciever was Baskett with 440 yards and third was Brian Westbrook, with only 402 yards. Jackson only caught 2 TDs all year, and Westbrook caught 5, and Baskett caught 3!!!
Baskett is maybe a third WR, but if you think that Jackson is a #1 WR, then you definitely need a #2. And then look at the TE situation.....they only caught I believe 4 TDs? For a team that managed to ranked 6th in the NFC in passing, you have a roster loaded full of part time threats.

Hmmm...in case you missed it, the Eagles were in the NFC championship. In case you also missed it, Other than T.O. the eagles have never had a "go to" Wr. The offense is built around Westbrook. I don't know who you are, and you seem to have some interesting ideas...but its Your opinion...only. Not an expert opinion.

And to OT. Jamon Meredith was the best rated OT on the board and was rated ahead of Loadholt. I actually wanted Meredith, but Kropog is just as solid of a tackle, and both grade out to mid second to early third rounders. The drop off after Kropog is somewhat significant.

had Meredith not been taken from me in the pick just before me, I would have taken Meredith. I actualy have one other rated higher than Kropog...but neither deserved this high a pick.

Now as for TE. I think you chose the right position, but you really reached for a guy you could've gotten later. Shawn Nelson grades to a mid 3rd to early 4th round. You still have guys like Coffman (and you said you werent that high on him), but their is still Beckum from Wisconsin and James Casey from Rice. No doubt Nelson could be a sleeper, but you grabbed him a whole round faster than you needed to....

I don't agree. Nelson is ranked higher than third round. I have seen him as high as where I got him. Most have Eagles taking TE in first round....that won't happen. I just don't see it. As for other TE's available, I was seriously considering Beckum...but his injury history scares me. I am not high on Casey. Nelson fits the need for Philly.

 

[Runnik's Hambones]

I'm with Phic all the way here. WR is not nearly as big a gap in Philly as many people think it is. They utilize their RBs so much that I don't usually see a wasted position for the Eagles. That's my favorite thing about Philly, they use everyone quite well, IMO, to make up for a lot.

Cook taken earlier... the pot has been stirred....

 

[dukdown]

I'll be very surprised if Marvin Harrison doesn't sign with Philly. That might push their need for receiver down the list. And I personally like Brent Celek.

 

[Runnik's Hambones]

On another note: I'm leaving for Vancouver tomorrow, early afternoon. I'll be gone for 9 days (arrive home on the 22nd) on a spring break ski trip. Because of that my access to the site will be fairly limited compared to usual, and I have PMed Miller and Sgt John to ask if they could keep an eye to the Mock Draft in my stead. If you're making pre-draft selections you can still PM them to me (along with Miller and Sgt), because I will be checking the site, just again, not as much as usual.

Thanks so much for the comments and the discussion guys. You are making this draft one of the best mocks I've ever been apart of.

 

[jmsmith1]

My non expert response

Hmmm...in case you missed it, the Eagles were in the NFC championship. In case you also missed it, Other than T.O. the eagles have never had a "go to" Wr. The offense is built around Westbrook. I don't know who you are, and you seem to have some interesting ideas...but its Your opinion...only. Not an expert opinion.

I'm not saying that Im an expert. But having done mock drafts for the past several years, I think I have a little insight. Its your team, but Im allowed to critique picks just as you are. Yes, the Eagles were in the NFC Championship, but have only been to 1 SuperBowl in recent years, and just so happened to be the year that they had TO!! Westbrook is gone and there for nearly 40% of your offense. In my humble, and as you stated non-expert opinion, hinging hopes of that on LeSean McCoy seems a little desperate. And we cant assume that you're going to land Marvin Harrison, because we arent doing a FA thing here. So in my opinion, we have to look at it as if you are primarily building from the draft.

Had Meredith not been taken from me in the pick just before me, I would have taken Meredith. I actualy have one other rated higher than Kropog...but neither deserved this high a pick.

Meredith was snatched from both of us. Kropog is listed on alot of experts sites as being the next best available OT and is a true RT.

I don't agree. Nelson is ranked higher than third round. I have seen him as high as where I got him. Most have Eagles taking TE in first round....that won't happen. I just don't see it. As for other TE's available, I was seriously considering Beckum...but his injury history scares me. I am not high on Casey. Nelson fits the need for Philly

Im not saying that I dont like Nelson, I just think you could've gotten him in the third round (if you have a pick) and could've addressed more pressing needs. But again, its your team, I just think there are some picks here where you are reaching. But my opinion....:eek

 

[jmsmith1]

I'll be very surprised if Marvin Harrison doesn't sign with Philly. That might push their need for receiver down the list. And I personally like Brent Celek.

Im not saying I dont like Celek, but you cant assume that Harrison is gonna sign. Im pretty sure the idea is to draft based on needs and we arent looking at FA. If Harrison were to sign here shortly in real life, then, yeah, it does well for Philly, but Im just saying I think I he reached for Nelson.

 

[jmsmith1]

Well, lets look at some other picks....

Cleveland - WOW...what a brainfart on my end. I completely forget DJ Moore hadnt been selected. This kid was considered late first early second round material. You got great value here. Let's hope he can transition nicely to the pro game.

Dallas - Michael Hamlin...Not that I disagree with the SS pick, but I think that Hamlin is a reach here too. He ran a 4.6 at the combine and has been projected as a 3rd rounder. Even the better selection of Chip Vaughn is a early third round projection and ran a 4.5 40. But safety was a dire need here and I guess we're splitting hairs over which one. Good pick overall.

NY Jets - Jamon Meredith....damn you! Not only are you putting together a strong draft class, but you stole my OT!!! I was hoping he'd slide a little further. He and D'Brick should make nice bookend tackles for several years and aid Jones and Washington in their running game. Love this pick.

Philly - Disagree with the pick and already in a nice discussion over it. Just felt other picks could've been made, but Nelson, I do think, is going to be a solid pro.

Minnesota - Although Meredith was our top choice, we wanted a solid, fundamentally sound RT for the future. Kropog has been a Conf. USA stud for the past 2 years and is just now getting the publicity he's deserved. He'll come in and help AD put up solid numbers for years to come. Just about equal value to what I expected.

Atlanta - Ron Brace in Hotlanta!!! Great selection here. Brace could push into the early second if his pro day is as productive as he can show he can be. The Falcons fill their #1 need and get a great player. Very good pick here.

 

[Phicinfan]

First on Wr, I don't think Harrison would be a huge help. Other than as a vet to mentor Jackson. I hear some rumbles still that Boldin is a potential target for trade....so that would be huge for Philly.

But here is the thing. Philly won't spend a high pick on an area they just spent a high pick on. Jackson fit exactly what they needed. They still have Brown, Baskett and Avant and Curtis. Plus Celek is a great TE target and is getting better. The NEED is depth behind Celek. Nelson might have gotten later...but of the Te's left he is one of if not the best receiving te's left. His only knock is the blocking aspect...which he will have time to develop. I like him more than Beckum, who I am also high on...but Beckum keeps getting hurt and has durability issues.

 

[jmsmith1]

After hearing that, I guess I can see where you were coming from. I guess we have different strategies in drafting players. But now it makes a little more sense. I agree Beckum's health is an issue, but I do think Coffman is just as solid and I think you could've done well to grab him too. But I see where you're coming from. Dont know if I fully agree, but at least now I understand.

But you were the one earlier that said that you had DIRE needs at safety and OT, so you can understand why I would be curious as to why you might reach for a TE when you could fill what you said was a dire need at OT in round 2.

 

[Phicinfan]

But you were the one earlier that said that you had DIRE needs at safety and OT, so you can understand why I would be curious as to why you might reach for a TE when you could fill what you said was a dire need at OT in round 2.

True. However, they just signed to FA safeties. So while I would like to get at least one solid Safety product....I don't have to do it this early.

As for OT, I got slammed by the OT run early. They just signed Stacey Andrews from Cincy, so he will be the RT. They have back up Tackles...but the need is LT. After just losing out on Meredith....I just don't see a sure bet LT. So, rather than reach this early...I decided to fill another need, just as I did in the first round for Philly.

I am not building MY team. I am trying to think like Philly would think. They don't force picks, they take talent that fits the team at the right price.
Rb is more dire to me, as they really have no depth at RB with Buckhalter gone, and Booker a seeming failure. So that is why I went McCoy...who is more a Westbrook clone. Philly won't ever go a power running game...so Brown or other like Greene....who I direly love...won't fit the system.

Basically...I am trying to fit the philly MO.

 

[jmsmith1]

Are we only doing three rounds because I'd really like to do 4 total. We'd really get a good idea as to who did well

 

[Sgt John]

I got no issue with it but thats up to Runnik

 

[DearbornDolfan]

I was kinda hoping to do a full seven rounder. Smith, do you have any recommendations on the Patriots pick? I'm kinda lost at this point, at least for them.

EDIT: Oh, and the picks for NE and Miami are flipped in round three, that needs to be fixed.

 

[Arctic Dawgs]

EDIT: Oh, and the picks for NE and Miami are flipped in round three, that needs to be fixed.

Please explain. I sent ya a pm

 

[jmsmith1]

Well the Patriots top 5 needs coming into the draft were OLB, ILB, CB, S, and OT. Coye Francis fills the CB need, not to mention they signed Shawn Springs and Leigh Bodden. At OLB, you drafted Clint Sintim and signed Banta-Cain. You drafted Sean Smith to fill the safety role. So that leaves ILB and OT. From what I see you have basically two prospects at ILB worth a late second round grade, Jason Phillips from TCU or Darryl Beckwith from LSU. You need a younger presence at ILB to team with Jerod Mayo. At OT, you still have mixed reviews on available prospects worth a second round selection. Fenuki Tupou from Oregon grades out at a late second and has the ability to not only play RT but both G positions. Xavier Fulton from Illinois is a possibility but his durability concerns dont warrant a second round selection, yet is raw and athletic and will need some to develop. Tupou also has some need for some slight development. If I were you, I would look at ILB here. I think all remaining OTs are reaches at this point. Phillips is a standout at ILB from the MWC, and was extremely productive. Given his blue collar work ethic, I think you should take Phillips here.

 

[Phicinfan]

Well the Patriots top 5 needs coming into the draft were OLB, ILB, CB, S, and OT. Coye Francis fills the CB need, not to mention they signed Shawn Springs and Leigh Bodden. At OLB, you drafted Clint Sintim and signed Banta-Cain. You drafted Sean Smith to fill the safety role. So that leaves ILB and OT. From what I see you have basically two prospects at ILB worth a late second round grade, Jason Phillips from TCU or Darryl Beckwith from LSU. You need a younger presence at ILB to team with Jerod Mayo. At OT, you still have mixed reviews on available prospects worth a second round selection. Fenuki Tupou from Oregon grades out at a late second and has the ability to not only play RT but both G positions. Xavier Fulton from Illinois is a possibility but his durability concerns dont warrant a second round selection, yet is raw and athletic and will need some to develop. Tupou also has some need for some slight development. If I were you, I would look at ILB here. I think all remaining OTs are reaches at this point. Phillips is a standout at ILB from the MWC, and was extremely productive. Given his blue collar work ethic, I think you should take Phillips here.

While we appreciate your knowledge, as it is very clear you are well studied in the draft and this talent. We do have an unwritten rule here that we don't talk about players that have not been drafted yet. Please lets not do this anymore. Lets rely on each owner to do their own research and run their team their own way. Please?