Donte' Stallworth expected to be charged with DUI manslaughter

[Cooley Cadets]

Had he NOT driven impaired, nor been out drinking to all hours of the night...this man would still be alive. Period. There is NO denying that.

Of course there is. You have based this claim of yours on???

My god, you are more naive then I gave you credit for. Cooley, there is a reason that states have set legal driving limits for acohol. Do you know why? Because of the increased accidents, and how it impairs a driver when they are that intoxicated. Now, again, as you continue to NOT answer. Can you not admit that had he NOT been drinking, or out all night...this would not have happened. It really IS that simple.

Have I stated alcohol does not increase the likelihood of accidents? The answer to that would be no. What you have failed to provide is any showing that a perfectly sober driver would have been able to avoid the accident. Once you can do that maybe it will be as easy as you would like it to be.

No, you felt he made enough reparations. I disagree. I want you to tell me what you feel a human life is worth..since you feel he paid enough.

Did I state he made enough reparations? The answer to that again would be no. Did I state he paid enough? The answer to that again would be no. If you want to create both sides of the conversation let me know, just do not tie my name to your 1 poster vignette.

 

[Cooley Cadets]

Not sure man.

Thank you for sharing. Although nothing that compares to the scale of the accident I can relate to some family conversations being taboo.

 

[WesDawg]

In an attempt to tie my sob story to this thread's tone, sometimes the penalty of the offender is irrelevent when compared to loss of life.

I didn't necessarily have a desire for the guy in my case to have his life destroyed for an ignorant mistake. I just wanted my relatives back. I'm sure the family of Stallworth's victim feels the same.

 

[Cooley Cadets]

In an attempt to tie my sob story to this thread's tone, sometimes the penalty of the offender is irrelevent when compared to loss of life.

I didn't necessarily have a desire for the guy in my case to have his life destroyed for an ignorant mistake. I just wanted my relatives back. I'm sure the family of Stallworth's victim feels the same.

I would say you have provided a synopsis of the intent behind my multiple posts without the antagonist phrasing that I seem to have settled upon. I'm thinking of changing my name to The Old Curmudgeon so others are forewarned what to expect.

 

[Phicinfan]

Of course there is. You have based this claim of yours on???

Okay try #2.

My claim is based on a simple premise. Don't go out all night and drink. OR, if you do, don't go out and drive. Statistics are out there when you do both....and what happens. Point blank had he done one of the above...the other man still lives. It really is that simple.

Have I stated alcohol does not increase the likelihood of accidents? The answer to that would be no. What you have failed to provide is any showing that a perfectly sober driver would have been able to avoid the accident. Once you can do that maybe it will be as easy as you would like it to be.

See above, clearly he made his choices...and had he not, the man would be alive. That simple.

Did I state he made enough reparations? The answer to that again would be no. Did I state he paid enough? The answer to that again would be no. If you want to create both sides of the conversation let me know, just do not tie my name to your 1 poster vignette.

you clearly felt in your previous post that he had made amends. So I ask again...what is the cost of a life, in your opinion?

 

[Cooley Cadets]

My claim is based on a simple premise. Don't go out all night and drink. OR, if you do, don't go out and drive. Statistics are out there when you do both....and what happens. Point blank had he done one of the above...the other man still lives. It really is that simple.

A simple premise that is incomplete. Statistics show what to expect but you still have to apply the facts to the case. He drank and drove - no argument. His drinking causing the accident - argument.

See above, clearly he made his choices...and had he not, the man would be alive. That simple.

See above, a bad choice was made but nothing has been provided to support the leap that the intoxication was the cause for Mr. Reye's death.

you clearly felt in your previous post that he had made amends. So I ask again...what is the cost of a life, in your opinion?

You continue to misrepresent my previous posts. I reported that a settlement was reached between Stallworth and Mr. Reye's family. I don't think it is much of a reach to recognize a difference between reporting this a allegations of making amends. I have made no attempt to become caught up quantifying the worth of a human life. Apparently you are intent on moving in that direction. If that is the case you can begin by providing the insight you are so eager to share.

 

[Phicinfan]

A simple premise that is incomplete. Statistics show what to expect but you still have to apply the facts to the case. He drank and drove - no argument. His drinking causing the accident - argument.

it is not incomplete. My point you missed was not alcohol caused the accident, that was what you misread. My point has always and will always be that had he NOT been out that late, and drinking and or had someone driving him, then he would not have killed Reyes. Simple and to the point.

See above, a bad choice was made but nothing has been provided to support the leap that the intoxication was the cause for Mr. Reye's death.

See above.

You continue to misrepresent my previous posts. I reported that a settlement was reached between Stallworth and Mr. Reye's family. I don't think it is much of a reach to recognize a difference between reporting this a allegations of making amends. I have made no attempt to become caught up quantifying the worth of a human life. Apparently you are intent on moving in that direction. If that is the case you can begin by providing the insight you are so eager to share.

No, I don't feel you can put a price on human life. I merely responded to your post that the limited jail time and the ample money he supplied met the need here. We will continue to disagree on that.

 

[WesDawg]

Judge not, that ye be not judged. -Matthew 7:1

 

[ExperiencedRookie]

Judge not, that ye be not judged. -Matthew 7:1

Only God can judge me -Tupac


Sorry, couldn't resist

 

[Cerberus]

Only God can judge me -Tupac


Sorry, couldn't resist

Biggie small was the judge,jury and excutioner on that on. So i have to ask, " Hey Tupac, hows that working out for ya? "

 

[Cooley Cadets]

My point you missed was not alcohol caused the accident, that was what you misread. My point has always and will always be that had he NOT been out that late, and drinking and or had someone driving him, then he would not have killed Reyes. Simple and to the point.

Stallworth was reported as having left a private residence prior to the accident not directly from a club. So technically there is some question whether he was "out that late".

If Mr. Reyes had not merely been "in the area of an intersection" he would not have been killed.

If Mr. Reyes had not crossed the intersection when it was unsafe to do so he would not have been killed.

If Mr. Reyes had paid attention to approaching traffic he would not have been killed.

If Mr. Reyes had worked overtime that morning he would not have been killed...

Simple and to the point, there are a lot of things that could have prevented the accident.

 

[RZR]

There is no instant-replay for every day life that allows us to review a situation from all camera angels. And despite how much we try to make sense of the tragedies in our experiences, all we can really do is speculate based on our own stories. For Phincifan this topic is anything but Chutes and Ladders - its a tunnel with one entrance and one exit. For others, it's so much more.

There are many levels of pain and hurt. The loss of life registers on one of the deepest levels of the heart, mind and soul and many of us struggle to process the woulda, shoulda, coulda's of the situations. What really matters is that everyone, Stallworth, the families & friends and the spectators deal with the emotions this event trudged up in all of us, in the best way we can.

We, on this site especially, are experts at analysis and situational dissections. However when applied to a topic of this nature can and has lead to analysis paralysis. None of us have the omnipresence to truly declare what would or wouldn't have happened plus or minus factors of this tragic traffic accident. What's really important to remember from this heartache is to love the people in our lives with all of our hearts, while we still have our hearts to give.

 

[RZR]

"angles"

 

[Runnik's Hambones]

I must say, I'm quite impressed with Stallworth's treating of this entire situation. The man has been nothing but kind, and guilty for his actions. I'm sure killing a man haunts him, or at the very least he's making it seem like that action is lingering for him.

The plea bargain he got was amazing. 30 days in jail and an undisclosed financial deal with the family of the victim on a manslaughter charge impressed me. I really feel like Stallworth's attitude was genuine and his character is not in question, IMO.

 

[Cooley Cadets]

I must say, I'm quite impressed with Stallworth's treating of this entire situation. The man has been nothing but kind, and guilty for his actions. I'm sure killing a man haunts him, or at the very least he's making it seem like that action is lingering for him.

The plea bargain he got was amazing. 30 days in jail and an undisclosed financial deal with the family of the victim on a manslaughter charge impressed me. I really feel like Stallworth's attitude was genuine and his character is not in question, IMO.

If he had a long criminal history I would be more likely to entertain the proposition that he was only paying lip service to guilt and wanting to what has been referred to as making "amends".

What made the biggest impact for me was the fact that he stopped at the scene, remained there and was immediately cooperative and open with the investigating officers. In my limited experience that alone separates him from most individuals in his situation.

 

[Runnik's Hambones]

I completely agree with you Cooley. Not only was it his in-court attitude, but it was every step of the way. He was actually concerned throughout the entire ordeal and you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned his clean background.

 

[Miller]

I completely agree with you Cooley. Not only was it his in-court attitude, but it was every step of the way. He was actually concerned throughout the entire ordeal and you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned his clean background.

I agree there, if there ever was a how to on how to handle yourself in a crisis, Stallworth nailed it. Unfortunate situation, but he owned up to it every step away.

 

[Sgt John]

As someone who has bore witness time and again to the unrepentant criminal pricks of this world, I can say at least he took immediate and full responsibility for what he did and when others would have lied, cheated, and done all they could to pass the buck to someone else, he stood up like a man in front of the world and did the right thing after he did so wrong.

 

[Remote Controller]

His actions separate him from what we are accustomed from seeing in the realm of pro sports. I hope he gets his chance to redeem himself on the field. Until then.....

• -- Brian Robiskie to Work the Middle --
  Mon Jun 22, 2009 --from FFMastermind.com​
• The Cleveland Plain Dealer reports the Browns envision second round draft pick WR Brian Robiskie emerging as an over-the-middle, possession-type wideout opposite split end Braylon Edwards. Robiskie is positioned to start at flanker, although he still has to hold off WR Mike Furrey and WR David Patten. Fellow rookie WR Mohamed Massaquoi will likely back up Edwards.

 

[Remote Controller]

Portis

-- Clinton Portis Losing Fan Support --
Mon Jun 22, 2009 --from FFMastermind.com​

WTEM's Kevin Sheehan and Scott Lynn report an increasing number of Washington Redskins fans are losing their support for RB Clinton Portis. "He is not the model employee," said Sheehan. "There is always going to be something with Portis. I think his best days are behind him."

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Fallin in the early second round. What's his season look like to you?