Donte' Stallworth expected to be charged with DUI manslaughter

[derringer007]

unbelievable....the rich or famous get off scott clean. What a farce.:thud:

The prosecutors are to blame for this mis-justice. Stallworth was looking at 4-15yrs, then the prosecutors should have at the very least giving him 3yrs and pay a huge fine on top of that.

 

[Cooley Cadets]

Okay, yes the guy was J-Walking. IT was early in the morning and he was rushing to meet a bus.

that however does NOT excuse this idiot for being behind the wheel drunk. No way, no how. The fact this guy may get off with a hand slap absolutely sickens me. I can see NO reason for you to defend him either.

Who is defending him? I am simply taking a less extreme position than yours. Nothing you have provided would indicate that his intoxication caused the accident or that if he were sober he would have been able to have avoided it. These are factors the prosecution would have to address and it remains unclear from anything I have read that they would have been able to do so successfully.

Stallworth has done what he could for the family (I have no idea the terms of the settlement and am not getting into a conversation about his incentive) which is what separates him from your typical defendant who would not have the means to do this.

I don't recall any articles commenting about a past history on Stallworth's part for the type of behavior. If this is his 1st OWI offense the punishment is consistent with what other people receive. If this was an accident what use would prison time accomplish? Is he likely to repeat? I'm thinking not.

 

[derringer007]

I bet that Stallworth will be playing in the NFL in 2009 as the commish is a spineless piece of work in his own right.

 

[Cooley Cadets]

The prosecutors are to blame for this mis-justice. Stallworth was looking at 4-15yrs, then the prosecutors should have at the very least giving him 3yrs and pay a huge fine on top of that.

The prosecutors had enough to charge the 4 year felony that doesn't mean they had the evidence to convict. How are you expecting them to get 3 years? If convicted as charged it would have to be 4. Is there a specific alternate charge you are thinking of or meting out your own form of justice?

 

[derringer007]

:xpissed: at this whole Stallworth sentence

 

[Cooley Cadets]

I bet that Stallworth will be playing in the NFL in 2009 as the commish is a spineless piece of work in his own right.

If Stallworth is pleading guilty to OWI does the commish suspend others with a similar conviction? I am no fan but this appears to be the same mentality that lead to the potential over-sentencing and apparent reservation to allow Vick to return.

 

[derringer007]

If Stallworth is pleading guilty to OWI does the commish suspend others with a similar conviction? I am no fan but this appears to be the same mentality that lead to the potential over-sentencing and apparent reservation to allow Vick to return.

This so called accident involved the death of a human being and has to be dealt with a whole lot different than any other kind of NFL league issue of the criminal kind. Stallworth really needs to be banned for life from the NFL.

No if's and's or butt's about it.

 

[bobbeaux]

I don't understand how Stallworth had time to flash his lights at this guy, but couldn't avoid running him over. I wouldn't be surprised if that is total BS, created by Stallworth.

i thought that sounded fishy too, but i also don't know about traffic, speed limits, etc in that area . . . but, it's like he flashed his lights and said, "hey, you're in my way . . . you better move . . . bump . . . oh well"

 

[Cooley Cadets]

This so called accident involved the death of a human being and has to be dealt with a whole lot different than any other kind of NFL league issue of the criminal kind. Stallworth really needs to be banned for life from the NFL.

No if's and's or butt's about it.

"so called accident"??? Are you now claiming he intended to kill Mr. Reyes? Glad to see you are not letting your emotions get in your way.

A tragic accident is still an accident. From all accounts I have read Stallworth has stepped up and accepted responsibility and taken what measures available to deal with the tragedy.

People who want to see every celebrity punished to the full extent possible have their own issues to deal with.

 

[Phicinfan]

"so called accident"??? Are you now claiming he intended to kill Mr. Reyes? Glad to see you are not letting your emotions get in your way.

A tragic accident is still an accident. From all accounts I have read Stallworth has stepped up and accepted responsibility and taken what measures available to deal with the tragedy.

People who want to see every celebrity punished to the full extent possible have their own issues to deal with.

Okay :bs:

First he pled guilty to Manslaughter DUI. Normally that is a minimum 4year prison sentance. However, they found a loophole. He has to be FOUND guilty, since he PLED guilty, they reduced the sentance. :banghead:

Secondly, yes it was an accident. However, had he NOT been out all night drinking, had he not been legally drunk and had full reflex capability, there is a good chance the accident could have been either reduced or missed. But no....lets go boo hoo for the idiot.

Cooley, I am not targeting you per say here...I see the points you are making...but to me this isn't excusable. Had he not been drunk, or out all night....he would not have hit the guy...and no fines or reperations would have been needed. Insead...a family has lost a father and husband, and gotten some money to survive on...and he walks basically free. It is a crock.

 

[Cooley Cadets]

First he pled guilty to Manslaughter DUI. Normally that is a minimum 4year prison sentance. However, they found a loophole. He has to be FOUND guilty, since he PLED guilty, they reduced the sentance. :banghead:

Secondly, yes it was an accident. However, had he NOT been out all night drinking, had he not been legally drunk and had full reflex capability, there is a good chance the accident could have been either reduced or missed. But no....lets go boo hoo for the idiot.

Cooley, I am not targeting you per say here...I see the points you are making...but to me this isn't excusable. Had he not been drunk, or out all night....he would not have hit the guy...and no fines or reperations would have been needed. Insead...a family has lost a father and husband, and gotten some money to survive on...and he walks basically free. It is a crock.

I guess if any possibility to avoid obtaining your full pound of flesh is a loophole. There is a reason why many of them are there.

I have not excused anything but I have also not seen anything in the articles I have read or in any of the posts here evidence to support the assumption you are willing to make, that Stallworth was at fault or could have avoided the accident but for...

I would also suspect that the family got more than mere survival money. Not getting prison time does not equate with walking basically free. Thinking prison sentences for everyone is as big a crock as the picture being painted here.

 

[Phicinfan]

I guess if any possibility to avoid obtaining your full pound of flesh is a loophole. There is a reason why many of them are there.

:wtf: what pound of flesh? He killed a person. Don't you feel that deserves more than 30days in jail?

I have not excused anything but I have also not seen anything in the articles I have read or in any of the posts here evidence to support the assumption you are willing to make, that Stallworth was at fault or could have avoided the accident but for...

Well, since you have not READ it, you must be excusing it right? Can you seriously sit there and say had he not been out drinking all night, and instead been at home or driven home since he was legally intoxicated he could have prevented the accident? Do I seriously need to draw you this picture?

I would also suspect that the family got more than mere survival money. Not getting prison time does not equate with walking basically free. Thinking prison sentences for everyone is as big a crock as the picture being painted here.

So what is the going rate in your opinion for the loss of a loved one Cooley?

Why is it wrong to want a representative prison sentance for a death?

 

[Cooley Cadets]

what pound of flesh? He killed a person. Don't you feel that deserves more than 30days in jail? He was involved in an auto accident where another person died. Are you claiming all accidents resulting in death warrant prison time?

Well, since you have not READ it, you must be excusing it right? Can you seriously sit there and say had he not been out drinking all night, and instead been at home or driven home since he was legally intoxicated he could have prevented the accident? If the evidence is not being reported I would think that would indicate it was not there. I am simply not willing to make some assumptions you appear comfortable making.

I am seriously sitting here saying his level of intoxication may not have been the cause of the accident.

So what is the going rate in your opinion for the loss of a loved one Cooley? I would imagine that would have to be determined on a case by case basis. Did I give you any impression I had an amount in mind?

Why is it wrong to want a representative prison sentance for a death? Because not every death has an applicable representative prison sentence.

 

[Sgt John]

what pound of flesh? He killed a person. Don't you feel that deserves more than 30days in jail? He was involved in an auto accident where another person died. Are you claiming all accidents resulting in death warrant prison time?

No Cooley, they dont. However, I have a hard time believing you didnt chew the same dirt at some point I still do today. To me, in this case, both parties were at fault, but one to a much greater extent simply by way of being intoxicated. I dont think Stallworth should do a dime, but I think 30 days given the intoxication factor in the accident is insufficient.

Well, since you have not READ it, you must be excusing it right? Can you seriously sit there and say had he not been out drinking all night, and instead been at home or driven home since he was legally intoxicated he could have prevented the accident? If the evidence is not being reported I would think that would indicate it was not there. I am simply not willing to make some assumptions you appear comfortable making.

From what I hear the available evidence is out there, minus what i know your probably looking for, the accident report which would tell someone like you were or I am the factors you need to make your decision. If anyone knows somewhere the accident report is posted Id love to see it.

So what is the going rate in your opinion for the loss of a loved one Cooley? I would imagine that would have to be determined on a case by case basis. Did I give you any impression I had an amount in mind?

There is no price guys. Ive never met the survivors of a person killed in a car crash who would accept any amount of money in lieu of their family.

Why is it wrong to want a representative prison sentance for a death? Because not every death has an applicable representative prison sentence.

Now this is true, but I also think Phic needs to explain or reword this response.

 

[Cooley Cadets]

I think the lump sum out of court settlement is such BS personally.

Also, I don't like it from the victim's side. You're letting someone pay off your grief. That money will not fill the void left by the loved one you had taken away. If anything, it tarnishes their memory.

Why is the lump sum BS? I could see this argument if you presented something other than your opinion/insinuation that he was purchasing his justice.

Who do you think you are judging the victims family? If they filed a civil suit all they could accomplish is what the settlement involved. Nothing is going to fill the void left by Mr. Reyes death but to state they have tarnished his memory is very self centered and egotistical.

 

[Cooley Cadets]

To me, in this case, both parties were at fault, but one to a much greater extent simply by way of being intoxicated. I dont think Stallworth should do a dime, but I think 30 days given the intoxication factor in the accident is insufficient.

I can completely agree that both were at fault even though I will not go so far as to think I know enough to put Stallworth more or less at fault. I have no problem if more jail time is believed to be appropriate but I did not see enough to warrant a minimum 4 year sentence either.

There is no price guys. Ive never met the survivors of a person killed in a car crash who would accept any amount of money in lieu of their family.

$ vs the person should be a no brainer but since that is not possible a settlement is appropriate.

 

[WesDawg]

A drunken nightshift factory worker killed my grandpa, great aunt and great uncle at the same time when I was 13. Standard scenario. He t-boned them going about 60 after blowing through a 4-way intersection at EIGHT IN THE MORNING, their vehicle caught fire but was too twisted around for them to get out and they burned to death. Drunk guy escaped with bumps and bruises.
Obviously these details are different, but I can't give an unbiased opinion so I won't.

 

[Cooley Cadets]

A drunken nightshift factory worker killed my grandpa, great aunt and great uncle at the same time when I was 13. Standard scenario. He t-boned them going about 60 after blowing through a 4-way intersection at EIGHT IN THE MORNING, their vehicle caught fire but was too twisted around for them to get out and they burned to death. Drunk guy escaped with bumps and bruises.
Obviously these details are different, but I can't give an unbiased opinion so I won't.

Belated sympathy. It does appear rare for people to recognize when they are unable to remain objective. If you don't mind sharing, and it may be pertinent to this thread what did the drunk get at sentencing?

 

[Phicinfan]

what pound of flesh? He killed a person. Don't you feel that deserves more than 30days in jail? He was involved in an auto accident where another person died. Are you claiming all accidents resulting in death warrant prison time?

No, I am saying though that if you purposely go and drive impaired...which he CHOSE to do. You them must accept the consequences. Had he NOT driven impaired, nor been out drinking to all hours of the night...this man would still be alive. Period. There is NO denying that.

Well, since you have not READ it, you must be excusing it right? Can you seriously sit there and say had he not been out drinking all night, and instead been at home or driven home since he was legally intoxicated he could have prevented the accident? If the evidence is not being reported I would think that would indicate it was not there. I am simply not willing to make some assumptions you appear comfortable making.

I am seriously sitting here saying his level of intoxication may not have been the cause of the accident.

My god, you are more naive then I gave you credit for. Cooley, there is a reason that states have set legal driving limits for acohol. Do you know why? Because of the increased accidents, and how it impairs a driver when they are that intoxicated. Now, again, as you continue to NOT answer. Can you not admit that had he NOT been drinking, or out all night...this would not have happened. It really IS that simple.

So what is the going rate in your opinion for the loss of a loved one Cooley? I would imagine that would have to be determined on a case by case basis. Did I give you any impression I had an amount in mind?

No, you felt he made enough reparations. I disagree. I want you to tell me what you feel a human life is worth..since you feel he paid enough.

Why is it wrong to want a representative prison sentance for a death? Because not every death has an applicable representative prison sentence.

You are correct. If you have a simple accident...there are no other penalties. But there is a reason the law has DUI manslaughter. It is because if you take a life in an accident where you are legally drunk, then that is considered making a choice, and thus you must face the punishment. HE made that choice...but is not paying the price. That simply is wrong.

 

[WesDawg]

Belated sympathy. It does appear rare for people to recognize when they are unable to remain objective. If you don't mind sharing, and it may be pertinent to this thread what did the drunk get at sentencing?

Not sure man. I was 13.

It remained somewhat of a taboo subject with the family for quite some time because there were some legal loopholes utilized by the defendant's attornies and those of the company he worked for. (He had access to alcohol at his job, ironically)

One of the reasons we didn't talk much about it after the shock wore off is that my grandma was supposed to be in the truck with the other 3 but felt ill that morning and decided not to go.