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Close Call #8: Brandon Jacobs vs Marion Barber
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efactor
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I agree with you on what will happen this year with the TDs, but prior to 08, Barber found the end zone more than Jacobs...............
A LOT MORE during 06 & 07...in fact they have both been in the league 4 years and Barber has MORE career TD's than Jacobs. Jacobs has only one year in which he had more than 10 TD's, last year at 15, Barber has 2, a 12 TD season and a 16 TD season (more than Jacobs 15 from last year).
Here is the breakdown by years:
Jacobs - 7-9-6-15 - 37
Barber - 5-16-12-9 - 42
efactor
Coming at you
Good information, but moving forward, I think the current trend will continue and Jacobs will outscore Barber based on opportunity.............
I'm in the minority, but I think Jacobs finishes top 10 in non PPR..............
ExperiencedRookie
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Opportunities get cut down when the offense goes 3 and out over and over and over.
I can't see this team moving the ball well at all.
efactor
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With one of the best running games in the league, I don't think they go 3 and out "over, over and over".
After Plax went out, their passing game suffered. But Hicks should help and I almost guarentee they end up with a vet who will help before they go to camp. While not a juggarnaut, their passing game won't be that bad that defenses can completely ignore it and a ball control running game will benefit Jacobs, not hurt him................
ExperiencedRookie
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I can only think of a few teams in the NFL whose passing game would be worse than the Giants this year.
It's not like the secondary will need to be on their heels respecting the playmaking capabilities of Steve Smith and Dominik Hixon. I won't weigh in on the rookie though. He could be decent or total garbage.
efactor
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OK, fair enough, but............
While I understand the concept of a good passing game opening up the running game, there are more important aspects to a successful running game than the strength of the passing game. Most important being the offensive line which the Giants probably have the best in the game, so regardless of the defensive allignment, they can still be successful. They proved that last year. Plax was pretty useless last year and they still ran the ball. They still have threats in the passing game, so I don't think they will see a big drop off in the running numbers.
As usual, I could be wrong, but I think you are putting too much into their inept (from your view) passing game...............
ExperiencedRookie
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You're right. I'm overstating that point. I feel it is important, but it's not the end all- be all to a running game. NYG do have an awesome offensive line and a commitment to running the ball.
There are other elements at work here though. The loss of Derrick Ward for one. That dude moved the chains over and over on 3rd down. Jacobs is clearly not a pass catching RB so he probably won't be getting that work. Can Bradshaw keep the offense moving on 3rd down?
Another factor scaring me off of Jacobs is his proneness to injury. Dude has missed 11 games in 555 carries for his career. That is frightening. That means he suffers a sidelining injury for every 50 carries!!
To put that in perspective I'm going to compare that to some other RBs who may be considered injury prone.
Brian Westbrook has missed 14 games in 7 years as a pro with 1247 carries. Add in his 401 receptions and he has touches the ball 1648 times. That means that Westbrook's brittle body has suffered a game sidelining injury for every 117 touches.
Steven Jackson is getting the label "injury prone" recently too. He has missed 11 career games for injury. However he's touched the ball 1454 times. That's an injury for every 132 touches.
I could probably go on and on, but I think I've made my "injury prone" point.
If Jacobs gets to 300 carries I would be SHOCKED.
or actually HURT him.....
ExperiencedRookie
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Noooo. Jacobs is a ROCK. He never gets hurt!!
efactor
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:biglaugh: Yes you did, lol
eaglechick
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were any of you watching the gnats last year?
at the end of the season they had no plax, and yet they were running over everything. Philly had one of the top run Ds in the league last year and NYG absolutely crushed them (well, to a point
). the gnats still have a decent TE, new rook WRs, and the same o-line. i'll take the injury question, but otherwise i see no reason why bradshaw can't take over where ward left off and jacobs will continue to vulture the TDs
at the end of the season they had no plax, and yet they were running over everything. Philly had one of the top run Ds in the league last year and NYG absolutely crushed them (well, to a point
). the gnats still have a decent TE, new rook WRs, and the same o-line. i'll take the injury question, but otherwise i see no reason why bradshaw can't take over where ward left off and jacobs will continue to vulture the TDs
I agree that, your looking at a very similar situation to last year, but with the injury questions, the limited upside, and the fickle nature of large TD numbers I don't see him as a 2nd rd pick. I just can't ignore similar team situations in 07 & 08, similar numbers in carries and yds, yet 15 TD's compared to just 6 in 07!! That is a LARGE difference without much logical explanation. Tells me that his large TD numbers may be an aberration and should be viewed as a large red flag. I would rather bank on someone with more stable yardage numbers than someone who relys on TD's alone for the bulk of his value. How much difference is there between Jacobs in rd 2 and LenDale White 3-4 rds later???were any of you watching the gnats last year?
at the end of the season they had no plax, and yet they were running over everything. Philly had one of the top run Ds in the league last year and NYG absolutely crushed them (well, to a point
eaglechick
I'm back :)
i agree wholeheartedly--as i said above i very much doubt i'll draft either jacobs or barber. but i still think jacobs is a better choice of the two (uh oh, have i been drinking the mike kool-aid? :koolaid: )
Runnik's Hambones
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See I'm done with Barber, and you're talking to a guy who was really high on Barber last year and I don't regret that (I had one hell of a RB core through a series of trades: Clintin Portis, Frank Gore, MBIII, and Westy). However I would draft Jacobs as my #2 back, and not be upset about that. Here's my dilemma however, I've been drafting RB/WR/WR. What follows depends on what is on the board. Jacobs is USUALLY gone in the 3rd round, and I am not picking him over Roddy White or Anquan Boldin, who I seem to run into at about 3.02, every freaking time.
ExperiencedRookie
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About 25 Lbs and a box of powdered donuts.
Runnik's Hambones
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:biglaugh: