yup....and not much difference in production
Close Call #8: Brandon Jacobs vs Marion Barber
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eaglechick
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so you guys friends with lendale or what? i bet he prefers jelly-filled :grin:
ExperiencedRookie
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Trust me, he's not picky.
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Runnik's Hambones
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Jelly-filled is the BEST!!! Don't hate.
ExperiencedRookie
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Not So Close Call
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I think I covered why I went Jacobs...but maybe not.
Here is my main reason. NYG is determined to run. They WILL run. Jacobs will see plenty of ball caries....regardless of Bradshaw....and will get alot of redzone touches....due to lack at Wr.
Dallas to this point has not shown me they are dedicated to the run. For some absolutely rediculous reasons...they just stop running and do nothing but pass. Until they show they are REALLY committed....I just don't buy it.
I will add one more caveat. I personally feel Dallas has better depth behind Barber than NYG has behind Jacobs. Felix Jones and Choice are talented enough to take away from Barber. I don't feel Bradshaw and company are.
So give me Jacobs............but only if I have to.
Here is my main reason. NYG is determined to run. They WILL run. Jacobs will see plenty of ball caries....regardless of Bradshaw....and will get alot of redzone touches....due to lack at Wr.
Dallas to this point has not shown me they are dedicated to the run. For some absolutely rediculous reasons...they just stop running and do nothing but pass. Until they show they are REALLY committed....I just don't buy it.
I will add one more caveat. I personally feel Dallas has better depth behind Barber than NYG has behind Jacobs. Felix Jones and Choice are talented enough to take away from Barber. I don't feel Bradshaw and company are.
So give me Jacobs............but only if I have to.
ExperiencedRookie
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I won't give ya too hard of a time because you don't actually like Jacobs that much.
They say Jacobs will get a lot of carries because he is expected to. When he breaks down after 3 games of 25+ the only thing he'll be carrying is his broken ass to the bench.
efactor
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Great logic. Because he missed some games the last two years, it's a certainty that he will miss games this year. Got it............:shake:
Hope this line of thinking is common so that I can get a 1200 yard, 12-15 TD guy in the late 2nd or early 3rd. CHAMPIONSHIP!
ExperiencedRookie
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Actually it is common. You're assuming that since he had a huge year last year that he will repeat. I'm assuming that he'll never hold up to the pounding because he hasn't throughout his entire career.
Both fair assumptions based on the past. My assumption however has a 4 year sampling of pattern. Yours has 1 year.
Also, Jacobs has an ADP of 2.05, so if you think you're getting him in the late 2nd, early 3rd guess again.
Or maybe you have a 1000 yd and 6 TD back like 07'????
Ward leaving doesn't change anything, the offense will remain the same, just plug Bradshaw in for Ward.....and the rookie will get some looks as well.
As as far as injuries go....yeah, because he has a tendancy to miss games it does increase the probability he will miss games in the future....that one is pretty easy. Jacobs running style and body frame make his take a TON of punishment, that is why you can't give him the ball 300 times a year, he won't hold up. Despite the hype about him getting more carries, he will get roughly the same numbers. IF he can manage to stay healthy all year he'll be looking at 260ish....in reality I don't see him not missing time, so plug him in for 220ish....
Those banking on him and banking on the TD's.....may get them, but it's not liek he has shown consistent production in the 12-15 range....If he doesn't get them there is going to be some very disapointed Jacobs owners.
ExperiencedRookie
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Don't get me wrong Miller, we're on the same side of the fence here.
BUT..
IF he can stay healthy all year and he's suppose to carry the load don't you think he could have 260?
The only reason I don't think he'll hit 260 is the fact that he WILL miss games. Those missed games will cause him to finish the year in that 220ish range.
ExperiencedRookie
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BTW, this has been one of the best Close Calls for debate.
huh?? that is exactly what i said.....if he stays healthy plug him in for 260....I don't think he will so i think it will be 220. but if he does, year 260 is a good estimate....
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efactor
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Throw the first two years out as he was a back up for one of the best RBs in football, so you actually have a 2-year pattern, which isn't really a pattern. Fred Taylor was considered "fragile" at one point. I know, I know, his running style makes him more likely to get injured. Not valid in my opinion. RBs get injured. Doesn't mean he will get injured this year.
Not that I put any stock in ADP, but I haven't seen him going in the early 2nd in any mocks I have seen (football guys). I am pretty sure when true drafts roll around, he will be there in the late 2nd and early 3rd and I will take him if available.
Even if he plays 14 games, I still think he gets 260 carries this year.........
ExperiencedRookie
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Well fine then. I'll only judge him based on his 2 years as the "starter" and throw away the injuries he suffered as a freaking backup.
He's missed 7 games in the last 2 years. But yeah you're probably right, that wouldn't scare me either.
Oh yeah, and if 2 years isn't enough for a pattern, than how are you realistically making assumptions for a Jacobs repeat of his 1 year pattern of success?
ExperiencedRookie
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I can make it is triple negative next time if you would like
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so two years of getting banged up is not a trend??? What about 3?? 4?? when can we lable someone an injury risk?? To not call him an injury risk is a joke. He carries significantly more risk of injury than other back. And to just toss out his body type and running style is ridiculous. He takes MAJOR hits on nearly every carry! That is a beating he takes each year, I can't blame his body from breaking down, he take a major pounding.
Ignore the injury risk if you want to, but it's likely the most influential factor in assessing his value this year IMO. Ignoring it will end up to over valuing this guy. Looks like we will get to see at the end of the year.
Ignore the injury risk if you want to, but it's likely the most influential factor in assessing his value this year IMO. Ignoring it will end up to over valuing this guy. Looks like we will get to see at the end of the year.