Week 10 Big Game: Cowboys @ Packers

Big Game Week 10: Cowboys @ Packers : No Points

  • Dallas Cowboys

    Votes: 7 63.6%

  • Green Bay Packers

    Votes: 4 36.4%
  • Total voters
    11
  • Poll closed .
Mike said:
Aaron Rodgers = David Carr, only Rodgers has a little more talent (maybe), and a whole lot more talent at the wide receiver position (clearly). Both are bad decision makers, and neither are team leaders.
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You can't be serious. Really bad comparison...........

Rodgers is still in his second season as a starter and will get better with experience. He does hold the ball too long (obviously) but that can be fixed. Experience and coaching. He's already very good and will be soon be considered elite, in both real and fantasy football.

I think the guy gets way too much grief. Christ, the Packers defense can't stop anyone (rookie QB on a winless team), so there is a lot of pressure on Rodgers to make plays which IMO, is part of the holding onto the ball too long issue.

Kid is good.........
 
We shall see, but that response sounds extremely familiar to the many, many, responses made in defense of David Carr for a few years.

13-3 to 6-10, from what was supposed to be a better team. Key change, Quarterback.

This year, how many talking heads called the Packers a Super Bowl contender, many predicting Super Bowl winner?

A quarterback who can quickly make his check downs to an open target, and/or get rid of the football if there is no play will make his offensive line look much better, and ultimately extend longer drives, which will keep the teams defense more rested, and ultimately playing better. So much more to being a good quarterback than stats.
 
Mike said:
This year, how many talking heads called the Packers a Super Bowl contender, many predicting Super Bowl winner?
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I guess those people expected some type of defensive performance. They can't stop anybody (except the Browns) and until they do, they will be a .500 team.

While I agree there is much more to a good QB than stats, there's much more to a losing team than QB play. They can't block anybody and they can't stop anybody. Those are kind of important factors in a team winning or losing. The Packers of 2007 were a group of overacheivers who caught lightening in a bottle (before Brett gave the NFC title game away with that awful pick in OT anyway). The fact that they haven't sustained that level of performance is not strictly QB play...........
 
overachieving is one thing, 13-3 and an NFC Title game is another. That was a good team, and a team that was completely in tact when the keys were handed to Rodgers. Only difference were those young players had one more year of experience under their belt.

I don't blame it all on Rodgers, just a big part of it. The rest I blame on the GM and McCarthy, who did all they could to make sure Rodgers was putting up nice stats, so they would look like they made the right decision, when in fact they made a horrible decision.

Rodgers has a limited amount of starts. I don't expect perfection, but I do expect improvement. Where has he improved? If anything, it looks like he is getting worse to me.
 
efactor said:
The Packers of 2007 were a group of overacheivers who caught lightening in a bottle (before Brett gave the NFC title game away with that awful pick in OT anyway). The fact that they haven't sustained that level of performance is not strictly QB play...........
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At least we know from what angle you are coming from now. (the anti Favre, Favre hate, Favre envy Angle)


Rodgers is good, but cannot even be considered of carrying the old man's jock at this point. Kid has got to learn to lead and win!!


Those over achievers from 2007 were heavy!:grin:
 
I guess one thing I would have to know the answer to is who is making the decision to try an constantly go deep downfield in the passing game.

Why did this offense go from over 80 pass completions to running backs in 2007 to a little over half of that in 2008, and now on pace for even less in 2009? Lack of checkdowns

Why did pass completions to the tight end drop in 2008? lack of checkdown ability. In 2009, the tight end completions are up, but few of these are checkdown completions, instead it is yet again downfield plays that are taking time to develop.

Is Coach McCarthy telling Rodgers to wait on the play to develop, even if the pocket starts collapsing? I doubt it. It all HAS to fall on Rodgers shoulders here.
 
Remote Controller said:
At least we know from what angle you are coming from now. (the anti Favre, Favre hate, Favre envy Angle)


Rodgers is good, but cannot even be considered of carrying the old man's jock at this point. Kid has got to learn to lead and win!!


Those over achievers from 2007 were heavy!:grin:
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Not at all. Actually like Favre and always have. The last few years have been annoying with the "I'm retiring, I'm not retiring" drama, but I'm glad he decided to play. Watching the NFL is much more entertaining with him around.

I just think that Rodgers takes too much grief at this point. He has all the tools to be great and will be, but it usually does take a few years as a starter to get there. He will get there. Can make all the throws and has the demeanor. Reminds me of Montana from the standpoint that he stays calm but you know he has the fire inside him. Opposite of Cutler who just seems like he doesn't care.

Anyway.............
 
Well, as I quietly feared, Green Bay kicked the Cowboys asses up and down the field. Hoped it wouldn't happen, but just seen it coming.

As for all the talk about the Packers defense, this unit played extremely well. Dallas lost the right tackle early, and the running backs are far from full speed, and the Packers defense jumped all over those weaknesses.

Nice win for the Packers, and I have to hand that 100% to their defense.
 
Mike said:
Nice win for the Packers, and I have to hand that 100% to their defense.
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Wait. Rodgers checked down all day, took what the defense gave him and managed the game, showing great poise and leadership. How come he gets no credit?
 
He got me 20 points in a close win so I'll give him credit once again. He is after all near the top in fantasy production.
 
efactor said:
Wait. Rodgers checked down all day, took what the defense gave him and managed the game, showing great poise and leadership. How come he gets no credit?
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First of all, he showed no great poise. he managed the game well for most of the game, outside of some bad decisions that the defense bailed him out of, combined with stupid plays by Dallas.

If you want me to give a quarterback credit for managing a game like his is supposed to, then here you go... Great job managing the game.... nothing special... at... all....

This game was won by the Packer defense playing some damn good ball, plain and simple, and the Cowboys offense couldn't manage to adjust to this unit at any point during the game.
 
Dallas thought they were going to get the Packers team that lost to the Bucs last week, it looks like they didn't practice at all.

I agree with Mike, the Packs D played very well and won this sloppy game. Rodgers has been sacked 40 times this season! He's not managing the pocket, he's just getting lucky he's got Ryan Grant to get his train moving every time it gets derailed. Not a single WR caught more than 4 receptions, all of which were for 50 total yards or less.
 
So the criticism this morning was that while Rodgers has great stats, he wasn't managing the game correctly and needed to "check down to the RBs and TEs" and avoid the sacks. So today, he does just that and they win the game. Now the criticism is that he didn't complete enough passes to the WRs? Wow.

Well, he didn't need to do that today to win, so they ran a very conservative offense and the way the Dallas Offense was playing, it was enough.

Good game by Aaron today...........
 
I love this sport.

The team that lost to the winless Bucs turns around and beats the NFC East leaders.

It's a bookies dream and a Fantasy owner's nightmare.
 
efactor said:
So the criticism this morning was that while Rodgers has great stats, he wasn't managing the game correctly and needed to "check down to the RBs and TEs" and avoid the sacks. So today, he does just that and they win the game. Now the criticism is that he didn't complete enough passes to the WRs? Wow.

Well, he didn't need to do that today to win, so they ran a very conservative offense and the way the Dallas Offense was playing, it was enough.

Good game by Aaron today...........
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No, you are basing your response here on comments by two different people.

As for my comments, I stand by what I said.

to further back this up, just look for comments regarding the Packers success in their 13-3 season. It wasn't about the quarterback, supposedly, it was simply a matter of an old Favre "managing" the game. he managed those games to a 13-3 record.

today, rodgers managed the game well, and the Packers got their first big win of the season. Imagine that..... the QB managed the game well, keeping the defense off the field, and the defense stepped up and dominated the game in return.

Try to twist this win into your favor all you want, but this win had nothing to do with any quarterback stepping up at a high level.
 
Mike said:
to further back this up, just look for comments regarding the Packers success in their 13-3 season. It wasn't about the quarterback, supposedly, it was simply a matter of an old Favre "managing" the game. he managed those games to a 13-3 record.
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Well, I don't know who said this, but it wasn't me. I made the comment that the 2007 Packers caught "lightening in a bottle". Magical season, but the foundation of the team was not as strong as people thought. Offensive line for example. It was supposed to be one of the best in the NFL. Grant had a great season. The next year, not so much. A lot of that had to do with the line not performing like they did in 2007. Rodgers played great in 2008, but the team didn't do well overall. Was it all on Rodgers? Would Farve had done better? Who knows? But if seems as if all the Packers problems are laid at the feet of Rodgers. He is in a can't win situation following a legend. Much like when Steve Young took over in SF. Great QB with great stats, but he never measured up to Montana and the teams failures in the playoffs fell on his shoulders despite the fact that there were a ton of other factors involved, mainly that their defense was not as strong.

Anyway, Rodgers will be fine. Has a great career in front of him...........
 
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