Cooley Cadets
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Breaking news - Stallworth is being suspended "indefinitely" by the NFL. Anyone hearing any details about this?
Stallworth Suspended Indefinitely
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Doesn't shock me, wondered if Goodell was really going to let a player on house arrest represent the league.....
Now I wonder if he tries to push the envelope here and keep him out all year if Stallworth will take legal action.....after all the courts have given him the opportunity to continue his profession through the house arrest agreement....he was previously clean.....not sure how much Goodell will have to hang his hat on if challenged....
ESPN is reporting the suspension.
Donte Stallworth of Cleveland Browns suspended indefinitely by NFL - ESPN
Donte Stallworth of Cleveland Browns suspended indefinitely by NFL - ESPN
Cooley Cadets
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A suspension doesn't surprise me but the "indefinite" seems pretty lame. Why not a set period or clarification what is expected before he is allowed back?
I am not a fan of the commish so I may just being unduly harsh.
Seems to me like Goodell feels he can play judge and jury in this case and feels he got let off easy....sorry, I don't know if I like that. I am not goign to get into the argument of was it or was it not enough....but that was for the courts to decided and they did. Now a suspension was necessary, but to release a statement with a suspension with no timeline and words that make it sound like he may never let him play again to me seems like he is over stepping his power and again being VERY inconsistent. He hands this down just days after the verdict, but here we are almost 2 years after the Vick verdict and no word? Wants to wit to talk to him first?? Just is not consistent with earlier actions.
If Goodell does not give a length soon after his release I would love to see this challenged in actual court.......let's put Goodell's inconsistent use of power to the legal test.
If Goodell does not give a length soon after his release I would love to see this challenged in actual court.......let's put Goodell's inconsistent use of power to the legal test.
Cooley Cadets
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We can save the disagreements over the criminal sentence in the other thread and focus this one on the NFL's response.
Another portion of the letter refers to
"he would schedule a meeting with Stallworth and his representatives "in due course", after which he will make a final determination on discipline."
I think this fits in with Miller's post where Not so Goodell is asserting the right to make up for what he considers shortcomings of the legal system. This and the handling of Vick's return smells pretty foul because he is mishandling both.
Another portion of the letter refers to
"he would schedule a meeting with Stallworth and his representatives "in due course", after which he will make a final determination on discipline."
I think this fits in with Miller's post where Not so Goodell is asserting the right to make up for what he considers shortcomings of the legal system. This and the handling of Vick's return smells pretty foul because he is mishandling both.
derringer007
"Its An Outrage"
The word "Indefinitely" dont mean squat. :xpissed:
A life time ban from the NFL is the correct answer Goodell
A life time ban from the NFL is the correct answer Goodell
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Birdman
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I personally feel that Stallworth's accident shouldn't warrant a lifetime ban. I think penalties that severe should be reserved for premeditated indiscretions like murder, rape etc.
Stallworth did something that is worthy of serious punishment - both from the law and the league (and he probably should be serving more jail time). But there are complexities to this case, and someone might very well make the case that whether sober or intoxicated Stallworth still would have killed this individual who ran into the street blind.
Should people drive over the legal limit? Obviously not... but I think this case is more morally complex than you make it out to be.
Cooley Cadets
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I agree a lifetime ban for an accident is a little extreme when the league is littered with people who make conscious decisions to do some pretty bad things.
I would not be as opposed to a harsh penalty but this holding a decision in limbo because you want to flex your muscles or make a display of your ability to make individual players roll over and kiss your - - -... is lame and provides a poor image for the league.
derringer007
"Its An Outrage"
OK Birdman, in your opinion what would warrant a life time ban. :headscratch:
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I think he answered that in his post.
Murder
Rape
...
I personally would add some domestic / assault type behaviors. Those are worse than an isolated accident.
derringer007
"Its An Outrage"
I guess vehicular manslaughter dont count then.
Cooley Cadets
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Counts as an accident.
Well a previous precident was set. Little got 8 games suspension.
I feel that to be fair, he should have to stay out of the league for as long as his sentance holds. NO, not the 30 days of prison....but the 2 years of house hold arrest. That sounds fair to me.
I feel that to be fair, he should have to stay out of the league for as long as his sentance holds. NO, not the 30 days of prison....but the 2 years of house hold arrest. That sounds fair to me.
Cooley Cadets
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Am I remembering correctly that Little had a criminal history before his precedent?
8 games v 2 seasons? I would be interested in your basis for justifying the dramatic difference. Is there any value to consistency of reaction/retaliation?
derringer007
"Its An Outrage"
It stopped being an accident and became a crime when Stallworth got behind the wheel of his car legally drunk and killed Mr. Reyes, and thats why he pleaded guilty to vehicular manslaughter.
This my last post on this subject since im the only one that see's this as a serious crime and not an accident. :banghead: :headscratch:
It's definitely a crime, and a serious one....the problem I have is Goodell playing Judge and Jury here and trying to make up for where HE feels the courts came up short. The courts have set up a sentence that allows Stallworth to continue to make a living in his profession.....for Goodell to prevent this long term is an abuse of power. Suspend him for 8 games....fine, but to make this indefinate or over 8 games seems like an abuse of power.
Well, first the Little incident was BEFORE the new tough guy regime of Goodell. So by definition this should be more stringent yes?
Reason 2: Most were outraged when Little ONLY got 8 games. A human life was lost. At some point there needs to be consequences for bad decisions. He put himself in that situation by his own choice. He now has to live with those consequences.