Opinions wanted

[Fire]

Looking for that great Outlaw advice that I am used to. Drafting 12th in a 12 team PPR league. Out of the following 9 players that I will assume to be available, which two would you take at 1.12 and 2.1:

McFadden, Gore, Mendenhall, MJD, Forte, Calvin Johnson, Nicks, Fitz, Aaron Rodgers.

Not a fan of taking a QB early, but we do get 6 pts. for passing TD's. Kind of like the combo of CJ and Nicks, but mocks have left me with a shallow feeling at RB. Going RB, RB here is not bad, as I feel I can get some solid PPR WR's in the middle rounds. Most times I have been going with 1 RB and 1 WR, this keeps me flexible through my next 4 or 5 picks. Would like to hear all opinions on this, reasoning is optional but feel free to add it if you want to.

 

[Phicinfan]

Looking for that great Outlaw advice that I am used to. Drafting 12th in a 12 team PPR league. Out of the following 9 players that I will assume to be available, which two would you take at 1.12 and 2.1:

McFadden, Gore, Mendenhall, MJD, Forte, Calvin Johnson, Nicks, Fitz, Aaron Rodgers.

Not a fan of taking a QB early, but we do get 6 pts. for passing TD's. Kind of like the combo of CJ and Nicks, but mocks have left me with a shallow feeling at RB. Going RB, RB here is not bad, as I feel I can get some solid PPR WR's in the middle rounds. Most times I have been going with 1 RB and 1 WR, this keeps me flexible through my next 4 or 5 picks. Would like to hear all opinions on this, reasoning is optional but feel free to add it if you want to.

In PPR leagues, at the end of turn spots I love WR/Wr. To get Calvin and Fitz at your turn will be stunning. Wayne could be there as well. Nicks would even be great value. Also don't forget about V.Jax back in SD.

Then you can go Rb and whatever in next turn...and solid Rbs like Turner, Greene, Ingram will be there for ya.

 

[Remote Controller]

With the six points for QB, you couldn't be faulted at all for going Rodgers and that might be the smartest move. I know the conflicting feelings you have though on that route. Now for my wall straddling take. You can't go wrong with any combo of those listed. With the current state of rbbc in the NFL I would grab Rodgers/Nicks then scab up Wr/RB on the next few turns. If the right rb ior TE isn't there then grab a witten, or a finley. Rodgers is gonna help you sleep, and hightower could be a huge
acquistion mid way though this draft, along with Fred jaCKSON. (Nice turn pair there) Add up points Fire! Goodluck!

 

[Fire]

So, that's one vote for Calvin and Fitz from Phic, and one vote for Rodgers and Nicks from RC.
Even though they are not the RB/WR that I am leaning toward, I love hearing these opinions.
Thank you both for the responses. My draft is on Labor Day, so I would like to encourage everyone to join in.
I want to hear from as many people as possible on this, as I highly respect all the great FF minds here at SO.

 

[Sgt John]

I dont think Rodgers and Megatron will be there at the turn.

I like me some Nicks and Gore at the turn. That would be pretty damn awesome.

 

[Zach]

In PPR leagues, at the end of turn spots I love WR/Wr. To get Calvin and Fitz at your turn will be stunning. Wayne could be there as well. Nicks would even be great value. Also don't forget about V.Jax back in SD.

Then you can go Rb and whatever in next turn...and solid Rbs like Turner, Greene, Ingram will be there for ya.

As much as I hate agreeing with Phicinfan - in PPR this is what I would do.

 

[Phicinfan]

As much as I hate agreeing with Phicinfan - in PPR this is what I would do.

:neener2:

 

[storminn0rm]

Megatron and Rodgers, Megatron and Nicks, Megatron and Fitz, Nicks and Fitz

In that order if one of the players is picked.

 

[Remote Controller]

I dont think Rodgers and Megatron will be there at the turn.

I like me some Nicks and Gore at the turn. That would be pretty damn awesome.

Assuming Rodgers and Calvin are there, is that your pick?

 

[cctekguy]

I'll hop on board with Phicin and Zach.

If Rogers, Calvin and Fitz are still there at the turn that means 9 of 11 of the picks before you took an RB. If you follow suit by grabbing a RB/whatever it means that you will be following the draft instead of leading it.

The WRs available are "Elites". The RBs available are not.

Bust on 2 elite WRs and watch the pack follow your lead. Most of them already have a RB and you just put a little panic in them to get a WR.

If they are drafting WRs that means they are NOT drafting RBs.

You'll still have some good RB choices in the 3rd.

 

[Fire]

I'll hop on board with Phicin and Zach.

If Rogers, Calvin and Fitz are still there at the turn that means 9 of 11 of the picks before you took an RB. If you follow suit by grabbing a RB/whatever it means that you will be following the draft instead of leading it.

The WRs available are "Elites". The RBs available are not.

I'm assuming that Vick, Roddy White, and Andre Johnson won't be there at 12, but I still get your point.

Heck, knowing my league-mates as well as I do, I really don't think Rodgers will be there either.

The other 6 of 7 that I think will be taken before my turn is Foster, Peterson, CJ, Rice, McCoy, and Charles. The 7th I will guess to be Gore or MJD.

If D-Mac is there I will have a hard time passing on him, targeting M. Bush at the end of round 9 (his ADP is 10.4) as insurance. Pairing D-Mac with Calvin or Nicks would keep me flexible for my next picks.

If D-Mac is gone, I think I will go Calvin Johnson and Nicks. Gore and MJD scare me. Besides the injury histories of both, I watched the SF/NO game and see no threat of a passing game from the 49'ers, and Jacksonville's doesn't scare me either. Barber will probably vulture a lot of TD's from Forte.

I'm not sold on anything yet, so keep the opinions coming.

 

[Fire]

I'm kind of surprised that nobody seems to be as high on McFadden as I am. He really broke out last year, and I think Hue Jackson sees how special he can be and will game plan for him. The patented Raider vertical threat can really get him open in space in the passing game.

 

[cctekguy]

I really love having the last pick.

You can take control of the draft by creating shortages. You'll have everyone chasing you. You'll be first to grab a TE, a 2nd tier QB and a DST later in the draft if you take control by double dipping a position.

Take Brady and Manning with your turn around picks and see what happens (just an example...don't really do it). You'd see guys like Schaub going in the 2nd round and SJax dropping to the 5th.

Depends a lot on who you're playing against too. Some guys just don't panic, but even they will have to adjust when they planned on taking Roethlisberger in the 8th and by the 6th their best choice is Bradford.

Last pick is a fun spot to be in but it gets watered down if you split your picks.

 

[Zach]

One thing you can not really look at is ADP - that is heavily tilted towards standard scoring leagues. PPR is another animal.

PPR is different than standard scoring. Standard scoring you have a very hard time winning with a WR based team - PPR makes it so that you have a very hard time winning without the WRs.

 

[Fire]

One thing you can not really look at is ADP - that is heavily tilted towards standard scoring leagues. PPR is another animal.

PPR is different than standard scoring. Standard scoring you have a very hard time winning with a WR based team - PPR makes it so that you have a very hard time winning without the WRs.

This is where I go for ADP. They have it for both PPR and standard scoring mock drafts. I also look at Antsports ADP for real PPR drafts results.

Average Draft Position (ADP) - Fantasy Football Calculator

AntSports Average Draft Position

By the way, this is not my first PPR league. I have been doing well in them the last 3 years, but I do appreciate your advice.

 

[storminn0rm]

ADP can be used for an idea of where a player goes. But players rarely go at what their ADP is once you get past round 3. If you go by ADP, I would target players a couple rounds before their ADP is. That way, if someone is going by it, you can steal that player from them. I went by ADP for a couple years, but realized that in a real draft, the players really don't follow their ADP. There are trends that take over a draft, and dictate how some owners draft. Just be prepared. I make sure I am prepared for every draft and I have targeted players for each round. I don't let runs take over my plan. Another helpful hint is put all the players in tiers. If you're choosing between a couple players, say a WR and RB. The WR is in your tier 2 and the RB is in your tier 3. Go with the higher tier player.

 

[bobbeaux]

I'll hop on board with Phicin and Zach.

If Rogers, Calvin and Fitz are still there at the turn that means 9 of 11 of the picks before you took an RB. If you follow suit by grabbing a RB/whatever it means that you will be following the draft instead of leading it.

The WRs available are "Elites". The RBs available are not.

Bust on 2 elite WRs and watch the pack follow your lead. Most of them already have a RB and you just put a little panic in them to get a WR.

If they are drafting WRs that means they are NOT drafting RBs.

You'll still have some good RB choices in the 3rd.

i agree with everything said and like the idea of going wr/wr here as well . . . but would just point out there will be some that stick to their plan and go 2 rb's early . . . there are a lot more solid plays at wr so i would lean to the wr/rb plan as you've mentioned . . . 3rd and 4th could be wr/qb since the 6pt for qb td's is in there . . .

 

[Fire]

Thanks for the ADP and PPR advice, but this is not my first rodeo. This is my 4th year in this PPR money league. The first 2 years I won the championship after after finishing first in the regular season both times. Last year I got 3rd place money after finishing 2nd in the regular season. The only thing that stopped me from a third straight championship was a huge game from my opponents' Jason Witten in the semi-finals.

I'm not trying to brag, but I thought this advice thread was going in the wrong direction. I simply want to know who everyone would take at the turn when expected players have already been taken. Now if anybody has an opinion on that I would love to hear it.

 

[Fire]

i agree with everything said and like the idea of going wr/wr here as well . . . but would just point out there will be some that stick to their plan and go 2 rb's early . . . there are a lot more solid plays at wr so i would lean to the wr/rb plan as you've mentioned . . . 3rd and 4th could be wr/qb since the 6pt for qb td's is in there . . .

Yeah, I'm also thinking about QB and TE in the 3rd/4th turn, along with many other possibilities.

Who would you take out of the suggested players available with your 1st 2 picks in my original question?

 

[cctekguy]

...this is not my first rodeo.

Sorry if the advice sounded condescending.

I get carried away sometimes.

Funny part is, I pretty much suck at FF.

The short answer to your question is: I'd take Calvin and VJax (not mentioned).