Mike Martz Interviews for Bears OC job
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This could work out well for the Bears. I think if he does become their OC, it will help fix their pitiful offensive woes. However, in the last two weeks of the season, it came around. 4 TDs in both week 16 & 17 by Cutler can't be all that bad.
Walter34
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This is a horrible hire, but they really didn't have a choice at this point. Martz was the only one desperate enough to go to Chi this year.
Jerry Angelo and Lovie escaped outright firing this year likely because of financial reasons. The Bears would have had to pay them anyway over the next two years and with a potential lockout looming, they didnt want to pay two coaches for nothing. Many suspect that Lovie kept his job because of an accountant's perspective.
With Angelo and Lovie as dead men walking if they dont return to the playoffs, any assistants brought on would not have much security beyond this year, so most candidates did not express interest. Martz is obviously an old friend of Lovie's and has received no other offers, so it was the natural choice on both sides.
The next move will be finding the D-coordinator and that will likely default to the promotion of Rod Marinelli ... anothe Lovie buddy. Building leadership around Detroit Lion castoffs has never been a recipe for success. I'm curious what role they have in mind for Matt Millen.
As for Martz, he will need to be able to adjust his game plan and style to fit the current Bears roster. Long dropbacks with a bad oline is not wise and abandoning the run for the pass with Cutler is even worse. They could possibly hit the mark and improve the O, but it doesnt appear to be the case based on history. Martz will need to change his spots and tailor the game plan to the talent (or lack thereof) on the team.
No matter who the coach, they need at least two new olineman to upgrade a poor line that is getting worse.
Jerry Angelo and Lovie escaped outright firing this year likely because of financial reasons. The Bears would have had to pay them anyway over the next two years and with a potential lockout looming, they didnt want to pay two coaches for nothing. Many suspect that Lovie kept his job because of an accountant's perspective.
With Angelo and Lovie as dead men walking if they dont return to the playoffs, any assistants brought on would not have much security beyond this year, so most candidates did not express interest. Martz is obviously an old friend of Lovie's and has received no other offers, so it was the natural choice on both sides.
The next move will be finding the D-coordinator and that will likely default to the promotion of Rod Marinelli ... anothe Lovie buddy. Building leadership around Detroit Lion castoffs has never been a recipe for success. I'm curious what role they have in mind for Matt Millen.
As for Martz, he will need to be able to adjust his game plan and style to fit the current Bears roster. Long dropbacks with a bad oline is not wise and abandoning the run for the pass with Cutler is even worse. They could possibly hit the mark and improve the O, but it doesnt appear to be the case based on history. Martz will need to change his spots and tailor the game plan to the talent (or lack thereof) on the team.
No matter who the coach, they need at least two new olineman to upgrade a poor line that is getting worse.
Remote Controller
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Martz did utilize Faulk some.
storminn0rm
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Wasn't he supposedly going to increase Gore's value when he was in SF? I didn't see that happen when he was there.
Walter34
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Martz was successful when he had 4 or 5 HOFers on offence. Then, he was a genius. In Detroit or SF with marginal talent, not so genious.
The Bears may have slightly better FF value next year. Forte could potentially increase to 70+ catches and Cutler could shine. I am leary of the move from a real football perspective rather than FF
The Bears may have slightly better FF value next year. Forte could potentially increase to 70+ catches and Cutler could shine. I am leary of the move from a real football perspective rather than FF
My point exactly....Forte is no Faulk....Faulk is a HOFer....Martz has not had much of a track record outside of that with RB's and when you pass as much as he does, I'm not getting real excited for a RB's value in that offense.
Remote Controller
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But he is a valuable reciever none the less and a weapon in that capacity that the bears chose to overlook. Didn't he have 70+ receptions as a rookie???
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That would really make the NFC North an interesting division. That's what the Bears need.
:wow: I agree this is a horrible mistake.
You can't play in a cold climate and be a pass oriented team. You have to be able to run, and control the ball. It is also how you help make the defense better. I also don't think they have the Wr tools to run a Martz offense. Knox showed some flashes...as did Bennett. But Hester to me is not a real Wr, so they have no real speed to play the Holt role.
I also think the value of Forte drops. I was all over dropping Gore's value while Martz was there, and was told look at what Faulk did. Uh huh....and what happened.
As to RC, yes, Forte had alot of catches as a rookie. But Martz does not utilize a Rb in his offense very well. For that matter if this really happens, say good bye to the TE value in Chicago as well.
You can't play in a cold climate and be a pass oriented team. You have to be able to run, and control the ball. It is also how you help make the defense better. I also don't think they have the Wr tools to run a Martz offense. Knox showed some flashes...as did Bennett. But Hester to me is not a real Wr, so they have no real speed to play the Holt role.
I also think the value of Forte drops. I was all over dropping Gore's value while Martz was there, and was told look at what Faulk did. Uh huh....and what happened.
As to RC, yes, Forte had alot of catches as a rookie. But Martz does not utilize a Rb in his offense very well. For that matter if this really happens, say good bye to the TE value in Chicago as well.
Walter34
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I was hoping I would have been wrong about this, but Marinelli is now the DC.
Ugh
Lovie put all of his eggs in one basket - hiring all of his old friends. Its win now or be fired hopefully. What a mess.
WesDawg
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Aaron Rodgers, Brady, and your boy McNabb called and said "huh?"
Martz has the raw materials here to really make this work. Cutler is uber-talented so long as his mind's right; Forte took a step or 2 backwards but showed his versatile skillset in '08; loads of potential in the WR corps with speed merchants (Knox/Hester) and possession guys (Bennett/Aroma-doodoo), plus an explosive threat at TE. As has been mentioned already, that O-line needs severe attention or else all this potential will go to waste, but I really like this group of skill position folks.
Thanks for making my point.
Other than Brady, how many superbowls have the other two won?
OH, and they were carried on their defense, not offense.
I still think this will be an awful mess. Hester is NOT a wr. Knox may be, but needs time to grow into the role. Te is useless with Martz. Please see any team he has coached and name ONE Te that did anything?
This will be a huge mistake.
Sorry Phic, that is a poor way of trying to back up your point....your seriously going to try to say that those three offensive philosophy's have not been successful despite the cold climate?
No, not completely. I can't deny the offenses have been good. I also can't deny that it seems to go against convention.
I will say though....it depends on the offense. In the case of NE and Philly, where before they had Owens and Moss, they were true west coast dink and dunk passing games. So the weather isn't as much a factor. But still a factor. As for Greenbay......got to be honest.....it shocks me. Rodgers was prolific this year.....no doubting that. But I think had they been able to run more...and rest that defense...the year would have turned out differently.
Martz though is not dink and dunk. It is long passes and deep outs. Which Cutler has the arm for....but in windy Chicago.....Yikes!
I will also add in NE's Hey day, and philly's...the defenses were dominant. GB's defense this year was top ranked for a while too.
Chicago has alot of work to do to get there.
Okay, explain exactly what you mean here please.
Everyone thought once he got to Detroit they would explode...and only one Wr really did. Oh, and it wasn't Roy Williams.
Then in San Fran they had the stud TE and Rb to make this offense fly.....and he didn't really use either.
Chicago has talent. They have a solid Te who could be spectacular if used. A Rb that has incredible ability catching the ball. They have some young and unproven Wrs....Oh, Hester AIN'T one of them by the by
......Yes they need to fix the o-line. Just not sure Knox and Bennett and whomever are the right receivers for his offense.
and no, he WON'T change his offense for the players. He doesn't do that.