ExperiencedRookie
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If any team that doesn't have a top 5 QB could build a defense like Pitt, a comparison could probably be made to Ben.
Matty Ice
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If any team that doesn't have a top 5 QB could build a defense like Pitt, a comparison could probably be made to Ben.
Runnik's Hambones
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Thank you ER.
ExperiencedRookie
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We got something going today RH.
You're laughing at my fat kid jokes, respecting my opinion, and thanking me.
It's ok if you have a crush on me.
You wanna get some sushi bro?
:rofl:
Runnik's Hambones
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DUDE! I'D LOVE TO GRAB SO SUSHI WITH YOU!
ExperiencedRookie
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I suppose I should address this rather than ducking it like a little girl.
Is Matt Ryan worth a pick at 6.10? Hmm
This is all very hypothetical, so don't jump down my throat. Let's say that I'm picking in perfect position to get Matt Ryan at his current ADP. My pick is 1.03.
It is my pick at 6.10 now andl my team will likely have 2 RBs, 2 WRs and a TE at this point. If I don't have the TE, I'll have 3 WRs, and 2 RBs. I'll also have another pick coming right up around the corner at 7.03.
Other choices in that range are : Kellen Winslow, Greg Olsen, Cedric Benson, Lendale White, Felix Jones, Matt Schuab, Jay Cutler, Santana Moss, Michael Crabtree, Lance Moore.
This means that there are 8 teams who have already selected a QB and 4 who have selected a TE. There are only a few QBs left on the board whom I'd be comfortable with leading my fantasy team. Do I dare risk waiting until the late 8th round at 8.10 to get a QB? Is there enough value in a backup RB/WR to pass on a QB now?
I don't think so.
So my answer to your question is yes. I feel that Matt Ryan is worth a pick in the 6th round. By waiting until that point to get my QB I've been able to acquire top talent at RB/WR/TE. If Ryan was to deliver on 3800 and 20 I would be satisfied.
Runnik's Hambones
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Wait... you willing to go Dutch?
ExperiencedRookie
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Runnik's Hambones
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Dude, what the hell. I completely agree with you. What it comes down to, and I've run into this in almost every single mock I've done at 1.02: I end up selecting Ryan in the 6th or 7th. I always have 2 RBs and 2 WRs and perhaps a TE, unless I feel that I'm not getting good value at TE or WR there, and I feel they'll be available at the turn of the 7th. It usually ends up with me snagging Ryan.
I'm happy I've been reading here because part of me, every time I select him, wonders if I reached. At the end of the day, I don't think so because there is almost NO ONE I want in other positions in the 6th round.
Runnik's Hambones
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WesDawg
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In the above mentioned scenario, I'd get Cutler at 6.10 and Olsen with the 7th round pick, but I'm higher on the Bears offensive potential than most.
In absolutely no format or scoring system would I take Ryan over Cutler. Not a slight to Ryan, but Cutler's being severely underdrafted from what I've seen in my mocks thus far.
In absolutely no format or scoring system would I take Ryan over Cutler. Not a slight to Ryan, but Cutler's being severely underdrafted from what I've seen in my mocks thus far.
ExperiencedRookie
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I can't see it.
Ryan has the better WR1 and better TE. He's also blessed with playing in nice warm weather most of the time rather than that NFC North weather.
If Gonzo has more Yards and TDs than Olsen, and White has more yards and TDs than whoever the hell is WR1 in Chicago, than how can you figure that Cutler will have more yards and TDs than Ryan?
Or perhaps you think there is a WR in Chicago who will outperform White and a TE who will outperform Gonzo.
WesDawg
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Olsen and Gonzo will be closer in raw points this year than you think. Remember I said that.
White is much better than anyone in Chicago's WR corps, but I think their's may be deeper. There's a pretty massive dropoff after Jenkins, and he's basically a league-average guy anyway.
I won't continue to beat the Forte horse, but his receiving numbers will dwarf Atlanta's entire backfield.
White is much better than anyone in Chicago's WR corps, but I think their's may be deeper. There's a pretty massive dropoff after Jenkins, and he's basically a league-average guy anyway.
I won't continue to beat the Forte horse, but his receiving numbers will dwarf Atlanta's entire backfield.
ExperiencedRookie
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Well it certainly helps that Ryan only tosses the rock to a RB like once a game.
You see in Atlanta, they have these things called receivers. They line up split out wide, and are designated to run and catch the ball so the RB doesn't have to.
Sorry, that was too tempting.
Oh yeah, and WR2 Jenkins is probably better than anything Chicago has from a football perspective, no fantsay included.
WesDawg
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So I'll use that as a reference to my "Ryan is a better real-life QB than fantasy QB" comment. Because he has better "real-life" WR's.
When exactly did Jenkins emerge from draft bust status, anyway? His career high yardage total from last year may excite me while playing the slots in vegas (777), but it doesn't make him much better than Greg Olsen, real or fantasy.
Runnik's Hambones
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Sorry, but how many times have we heard the Falcons say Norwood will be getting more action?
If anyone will be getting more time, my bet is Harry Douglas.
If anyone will be getting more time, my bet is Harry Douglas.
Nicely done! :koolaid:
Quite honestly he is starting to mature as White did. Look at White's numbers in his first and second year. Not saying Jenkins is the next White...just saying now that they have a Qb that can throw accurately......and with White on one side and Gonzales up the middle...the kid is a sleeper for me later in rounds.
As for Ryan as a starting Qb in fantasy.... I am not one to say that. I will target him as a solid back up....with hopes he flurishes and I get a boost for trade bait or to cover my starter's injury. But not sold yet he will explode...not while Turner has two legs and Smith is coaching.
ExperiencedRookie
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I think Ryan makes a decent starter for fantasy purposes this year. I certainly can't name 12 QBs who I feel have opportunity to outperform him.
1. Brees
2. Brady
3. Peyton
4. Rivers
5. Rodgers
6. McNabb
7. Warner
8. Schaub
9. Palmer
10. This is the lowest I can possibly see myself putting Ryan. I really feel he is pretty even with the last 2 mentioned.
Arctic Dawgs
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I think the DC's will be more focussed on the Falcons strength (running game) and trying to force Atlanta into more passing situations