Jets RB Thomas Jones Softening Stance?

[Cooley Cadets]

How does the front loaded contract benefit the Jets.

The Jets had the cap room at that time and used it to obtain the RB that they needed. The front loading resulted in Jones being paid what he was worth early in the contract while allowing both sides the ability to reevaluate their respective positions later.

If Jones is not producing their penalty for cutting/trading is not burdensome. Jones likewise, by getting paid up front has retained options as well. Jones is still producing and it is not outrageous for contract to be renegotiated in the NFL. Keep in mind that Jones has merely obtained some media attention - he has not held out in any meaningful manner (at least in my evaluation).

 

[Cooley Cadets]

It isn't a reason for concern.....he just does not have any leverage here and hence why I stated what I did in the second post of this thread, and why he will end up showing up when he has to be there:


Simple truth

There is no reasoning going on here and THAT is the simple truth. :sunshine:

Jones will be in camp but there was never a threat that he would not. Not because he has no leverage but because Jones is leader that while making his point (whether you agree with him or not) will not carry it on so that it becomes a team distraction.

 

[Miller]

You right he hasn't held out in any meaningful manner, and he won't, he has no leverage.....he has drastically changed his tune in the public and what I am referring to. He'll be there, there never was really any doubt in my mind. He now realizes his situation and will cave like most do.

And as far as restructuring deals of 30+ yr old RB's in favor of the RB, that is a rarity in the NFL and what is working against him. So while you are right, it's not outrageous for contracts to be redone in the NFL, contracts for 30 yd old RB's rarely get redone to the benefit of the player. And TJ while good, is not nearly special enough to get another big deal at his age while under a very nice contract from the team's POV.

 

[Miller]

There is no reasoning going on here and THAT is the simple truth. :sunshine:

Jones will be in camp but there was never a threat that he would not. Not because he has no leverage but because Jones is leader that while making his point (whether you agree with him or not) will not carry it on so that it becomes a team distraction.

ummm, he stated he would consider holding out...so I guess if we go on what he has stated, yeah, there was a threat....again, not opinion, just facts.

 

[Miller]

There is no reasoning going on here and THAT is the simple truth. :sunshine:

So you agree you are not using simple reason, see, we can agree on something...:biglaugh:

 

[Phicinfan]

His time in Arizona is going back farther than I can accurately remember. Wasn't there a medical condition that was discovered just before/after he went to TB that was treated?

His time with the Cardinals was not impressive but he has done much better everywhere he has been since then. Makes me wonder if there might have been something to the medical condition possibility.

He came in and produced for Tampa but was not retained. He moved to Chicago and produces but they draft his replacement who the administration forced into the rotation despite not being able to carry the load. He goes to NY and every year we hear about his demise, replacement. This year the names have changed but it is the same story. Do you really blame the guy for thinking people/teams have never had the long term confidence in him his production warranted?

I did not paint him as a boy scout but for someone who has done as well as he has since those first 3 painful seasons I get the impression he is a better role model than many stars on other teams.

I will agree to some of this. But not alot.

Jones in Arizona was a total bust. Yes, it was discovered after a year or so he had some type of rib issue that was constricting his ability to breathe fully I believe. He went to Tampa and only go 600+ yards in 16 games ( that was the only other time he played a whole season though...other than his 2nd year...this was year 4). He was signed by Chicago and did very well. All three years he was almost at or well over 1000yards. He had over a 4 ypc average each year. But Benson was then drafted. Once Benson was drafted Jones had attitude issues. Jones was then dealt to NYJ due to money tied into Benson (wasted money as we later found out.....) and did well in NY as well.

However, he was NOT a poster boy for quite and conservative teammate as you propose.

He has a tendancy to get nicked up...but nothing too major. But he has age and mileage against him.

 

[Cooley Cadets]

Yes, it was discovered after a year or so he had some type of rib issue that was constricting his ability to breathe fully I believe.

He went to Tampa and only go 600+ yards in 16 games.

He was signed by Chicago and did very well. All three years he was almost at or well over 1000yards. He had over a 4 ypc average each year. But Benson was then drafted. Once Benson was drafted Jones had attitude issues.

Jones was then dealt to NYJ due to money tied into Benson (wasted money as we later found out.....) and did well in NY as well.

However, he was NOT a poster boy for quite and conservative teammate as you propose.

The ribs/breathing that was it. I know it is off topic but wasn't there another one of their players that had eye surgery after he left as well?

Whether it was learning a new system or coaching preferences for Pittman Jones only had 27 carries in the 1st 10 games of that season. With only 3 starts his 600+ yards and 4.6 ypc average was pretty freaking sweet.

His attitude was that the Bears were pushing him out before Benson came close to earning the starting role. As you agree he was correct, hardly something I would hold against him.

I never made him out to be a poster boy for anything. Merely pointed out that he has been consistently underrated and has quietly continued to produce. I don't think I even used the word conservative so I am not sure how to address that comment. Jones brings up re-negotiating a contract and misses an OTA like so many other veterans and people (Miller) thinks it is a criminal offense.

I do not believe Jones is expecting a huge cash cow multi-year contract but simply an upgrade to continue paying him his current worth. I also believe NY wants Jones there to help bring Greene along.

 

[Miller]

Jones brings up re-negotiating a contract and misses an OTA like so many other veterans and people (Miller) thinks it is a criminal offense.

Who is trying to pick arguments today? When in the hell did I say it was a criminal offense for Jones to miss an OTA??? Seriously, try making points instead of putting words in my mouth..... All I have continued to say is that Jones is realizing he will get no where with this and better get to NY before he loses his job....He can miss all he wants, but it's a trend with him. He doesn't like something so he whines and misses team activities before showing up. Did it in Chicago now doing it in NY....

This guy is not a team leader, he's a ME leader......

 

[ExperiencedRookie]

Woohoo. A heated debate that doesn't involve me! I like it.

 

[Cooley Cadets]

Who is trying to pick arguments today? When in the hell did I say it was a criminal offense for Jones to miss an OTA??? Seriously, try making points instead of putting words in my mouth..... All I have continued to say is that Jones is realizing he will get no where with this and better get to NY before he loses his job....He can miss all he wants, but it's a trend with him. He doesn't like something so he whines and misses team activities before showing up. Did it in Chicago now doing it in NY....

Calm down lil man and make a point.

Oh ya, you don't like your runningbacks to be heard unless spoken to and if they speak and miss OTAs they are whiners.

Jones spoke out in Chicago where his "whining" turned out to be accurate. He moves to another team and a few years into that contract he wants to renegotiate. Time to circle the wagons because this is unheard of.

Appears you have an axe to grind with TJ which is fine but don't create issues and then think when they do not pan out into his demise that it was because he was on the verge of being replaced.

 

[Miller]

i actually don't have an issue with jones, lol, why would I....

I just think he realizes that he wasn't going to get his way and all holding out longer would do is hurt him. He finally woke up.

You are the one all over his balls thinking he is a great leader and such a great mentor for Greene....:spit: That was funny, I'll give ya that.

I think it's a great move for him to show up, if he doesn't he risks losing his job. it's not like he's irreplaceable.

As far as making point, little cooley...i think I have made plenty, and all without having to make up what someone else has said....maybe you should try it once in a while.

Waiting for the next installment of Cooley's tall tales......

We going to do this all day?

 

[ExperiencedRookie]

Waiting for the next installment of Cooley's tall tales......

We going to do this all day?

Hopefully. This shit is great!

 

[Miller]

the funniest thing is I got Cooley so worked up about this one, he took another subject that we AGREED on all along and picked an argument in, lol.

Maybe the next installment will be how I have a great conspiracy to murder Thomas Jones because his threat to holdout has affected me so dearly......:biglaugh:

 

[Cooley Cadets]

You are the one all over his balls thinking he is a great leader and such a great mentor for Greene....

I think it's a great move for him to show up, if he doesn't he risks losing his job. it's not like he's irreplaceable.

As far as making point...i think I have made plenty.

Back by popular demand - this is now all on you ER - you are going to wriggle yourself into both of these threads :nod:

Great leader? Who is putting words into the mouth of the other? Does wanting to renegotiate mean he is not a good team leader? Ok, if you say so. I do think he is a team leader and is also a better role model than many other stars out there - any more than that is on you.

He is an excellent mentor for Greene. Not for his negotiating tactics if that is all you are focusing on now.

How many players in the league are irreplaceable? Are you saying they are the only ones who should try to renegotiate?

You have pointed out that like me you are using this fine Friday to start easing into holiday weekend mode early and taking this thread much farther than necessary.

As for either of us getting worked up I would recommend you review the posts in both threads and re-evaluate.

 

[Miller]

Back by popular demand - this is now all on you ER - you are going to wriggle yourself into both of these threads :nod:

Great leader? Who is putting words into the mouth of the other? Does wanting to renegotiate mean he is not a good team leader? Ok, if you say so. I do think he is a team leader and is also a better role model than many other stars out there - any more than that is on you.

Your the one calling him the team leader and have so in this thread:

Jones will be in camp but there was never a threat that he would not. Not because he has no leverage but because Jones is leader that while making his point (whether you agree with him or not) will not carry it on so that it becomes a team distraction.

That's not putting words in your mouth.....that's using your own words....if he's a role model and leader of the team i don't think it's a stretch to put the word great in there, but take it out, still have leader which I don't think he is.

He is an excellent mentor for Greene. Not for his negotiating tactics if that is all you are focusing on now.

How? I don't see him taking him under his wings....I didn't see him doing this with benson either in Chicago....he may bem but where is the track record? Not that it matters, I don't see RB as a spot where a vet mentor is that important. get the ball and run, you can either do it or you can't. Differnt point for another day though.

How many players in the league are irreplaceable? Are you saying they are the only ones who should try to renegotiate?

Well if your easily replaced.....may not be a good time to try to get more money now is it...I think jones got the message with the drafting of Greene.

You have pointed out that like me you are using this fine Friday to start easing into holiday weekend mode early and taking this thread much farther than necessary.

Huh? When did I say this??? oh....I see, another Cooley tall tale, you couldn't resist could ya

As for either of us getting worked up I would recommend you review the posts in both threads and re-evaluate.

I'm not worked up....as long as you speak for yourself and not for me, that's the only thing that got me elevated a little, but now it's funny, I see you like to do it a lot so It's cool, I can have fun with those arguments, pretty easy to overcome. The rest is great discussion for the forum, keep them coming. May want to do it on other topics.....this one is the horse that has been beat to DEATH.....

 

[Phicinfan]

Calm down lil man and make a point.

Oh ya, you don't like your runningbacks to be heard unless spoken to and if they speak and miss OTAs they are whiners.

Jones spoke out in Chicago where his "whining" turned out to be accurate. He moves to another team and a few years into that contract he wants to renegotiate. Time to circle the wagons because this is unheard of.

Appears you have an axe to grind with TJ which is fine but don't create issues and then think when they do not pan out into his demise that it was because he was on the verge of being replaced.

Okay, lets call a spade a spade here.

Jones before his tenure in Chicago was never able to be productive or even survive a whole season as a starting Rb. Chicago knew this, so they drafted what they thought was a young stud.....keeping Jones to make sure he had time to develop. Unfortunately for Chicago....Benson never did. However Jones was not a team player there by any stretch. He was whining over losing carries, and his money. That is why Chicago finally dealt him away, as they could not pay both...and Jones had more value and less cap hurt to deal.

Now, in your defense Cooley.....seems like the norm here for an older player to want to get his last big paycheck...Maybe Jones is there. Still, he is not some innocent choir boy either

 

[Remote Controller]

Okay, lets call a spade a spade here.

Jones before his tenure in Chicago was never able to be productive or even survive a whole season as a starting Rb. Chicago knew this, so they drafted what they thought was a young stud.....keeping Jones to make sure he had time to develop. Unfortunately for Chicago....Benson never did. However Jones was not a team player there by any stretch. He was whining over losing carries, and his money. That is why Chicago finally dealt him away, as they could not pay both...and Jones had more value and less cap hurt to deal.

Now, in your defense Cooley.....seems like the norm here for an older player to want to get his last big paycheck...Maybe Jones is there. Still, he is not some innocent choir boy either

Not to mention tha Pittman was the Alpha male in Arizona and jones his bride.

 

[Cooley Cadets]

Jones before his tenure in Chicago was never able to be productive.

We all know what a disappointment his time in Arizona was. To put it into context though:

1. Arizona then was not the Arizona team of last year. It seemed the norm fort players to do better once they left.

2. Wasn't Jones drafted at 19? It is not so surprising a kid is going to take some time to transition to the NFL.

3. Add to that the whole rib/breathing health issue and the slow start is understandable.

You are wrong about his work in TB. It was his success there that set up his move to Chicago.

Chicago... drafted what they thought was a young stud... Unfortunately for Chicago....Benson never did.

Everyone who wasn't a Benson owner saw it well before Chicago admitted it had it all wrong - What RB in his prime that outperforms his backup but is consistently forced to the sideline would not say anything?

However Jones was not a team player there by any stretch. He was whining over losing carries, and his money. That is why Chicago finally dealt him away

Why is he not a team player? Because he wanted the better player on the field? Because he provided a much better opportunity for the team to win? Seems he was attempting to lead and if I recall correctly a large portion of the team and public was in total agreement with him. Wasn't there talk about the ownership intentionally attempting to keep him from reaching incentives or am I getting storylines mixed up? I'll claim olden timers disease that the memories are not clearer. Regardless, go ahead and hold a grudge against the squeaky wheel that exposed a 2nd rate Bear regime for what it was.

he is not some innocent choir boy either

Who said he was? I did say that he was a better team leader than many stars out there and would be a great mentor for Greene. Nothing more. Are you saying he is still not a leader since moving to NY? Do you expect a player in his prime to be ready to mentor a player practically his own age? If so good luck with that. He is at the end of a decent run and in a position where that role comes a little more naturally.

 

[Cooley Cadets]

Not to mention tha Pittman was the Alpha male in Arizona and jones his bride.

Wasn't he in Arizona and TB as well? At least for most of the season.

 

[Remote Controller]

I don't get what is so important about discussing why most of Thomas Jones career was a failure. :cunning: