lol....touchy, touchy.....wasn't a spelling war, just didn't know who Slayton was
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Close Call #3: Steve Slaton vs Frank Gore
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Sgt John
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Mystified the other teams passed on the franchise RB you have been waiting for (Houston) - Good
Mystified because even your team doctor had no friggin idea that ligament your franchise RB tore existed (SF) - Bad
ExperiencedRookie
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Little Big Head
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Slaton easily for me
efactor
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If this is true, then Slaton must be the hardest working man in football. Gore is all about work ethic, both on the field and in the film room.
As far as injuries, Gore has missed less time in his career than most RBs. The injury tag goes back to his injuries in college, which goes to his work ethic. The guy has overcome two major surgeries to be one of the best backs in the game. Since becoming a starter in 2006, he has missed a total of three games due to injury. Hardly in the Westbrook category in that area.
That said, I give Gore a slight edge based on history. Would want Slaton to repeat last year before I pass on an established, but still young back.........
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WesDawg
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Gore's got more of a track record, but that unfortunately includes one elite season and several other pedestrian campaigns. His draft position is solely based on overly optimistic hopes that he magically re-morphs into a 1,600 yard RB. Even that year I think he only ran for 8 scores.
I'll take the younger guy on an improving team with no commitee over a guy who's own team clearly assumes that he's somewhat injury-prone. A team with this many holes doesn't typically take a RB in the 3rd round of a draft unless there's a good reason.
I'll take the younger guy on an improving team with no commitee over a guy who's own team clearly assumes that he's somewhat injury-prone. A team with this many holes doesn't typically take a RB in the 3rd round of a draft unless there's a good reason.
efactor
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Clearly assumes he's somewhat injury prone? Man, you really reach when trying to make your points. They drafted Coffee because they thought he was the best player available and they needed depth at that position and yes, teams probably view their RBs as the most likely player to get hurt. That is no way a reflection on Gore being "injury prone". Just an ignorant statement.
I have no issue with those who would rather have Slaton, but to bring injury concerns into a discussion when no injury history exists is lame. There is less likely a committee situation in SF than in Houston.........
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bobbeaux
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the beginning of wes' statements about gore's experience should have been where you concentrated more . . .
ExperiencedRookie
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We're on page 3 of this discussion, and I still haven't made my decision.
This is truly a close call.
Both players are good pass catching RBs who are the focal point of the running game on their respective teams.
Slaton is on the better offense which will have more RZ trips, but Gore is the entire offense and will likely be looked to more often.
I don't know what to do on this one. I do really like Slaton but Miller said something a few weeks ago that really has stuck with me. He mentioned something about the 3 stud sophmore RBs : Chris Johnson, Forte, and Slaton and their chances at all repeating huge fantasy success in 09. It seems highly probable that 1 of these 3 will hit that slump.
My Forte love is well documented, and I'm also a big believer in the CJ speed and Tennessee's commitment to the run.
I guess that would leave Slaton as the odd man out. A weird way for me to come to a conclusion on this one, but I'll go Gore.
This is truly a close call.
Both players are good pass catching RBs who are the focal point of the running game on their respective teams.
Slaton is on the better offense which will have more RZ trips, but Gore is the entire offense and will likely be looked to more often.
I don't know what to do on this one. I do really like Slaton but Miller said something a few weeks ago that really has stuck with me. He mentioned something about the 3 stud sophmore RBs : Chris Johnson, Forte, and Slaton and their chances at all repeating huge fantasy success in 09. It seems highly probable that 1 of these 3 will hit that slump.
My Forte love is well documented, and I'm also a big believer in the CJ speed and Tennessee's commitment to the run.
I guess that would leave Slaton as the odd man out. A weird way for me to come to a conclusion on this one, but I'll go Gore.
efactor
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the beginning of wes' statements about gore's experience should have been where you concentrated more . . .
Why? That point is valid although more of a result of having a new OC every year, the team having no real passing threat and being behind than Gore's effort or talent. I personally think he will be closer to 2006 numbers this year than 2007-2008 but who knows?
The other statements were off base so that's where I directed my comments..................
WesDawg
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ER, you make insightful points on the soph issue, but neither of the 3 fit the typical profile coming into 2009. All 3 guys are in fantastic situations, with CJ being the only one that's in a time-share. Don't forget the Titans drafted Javon Ringer in the middle rounds.
Now for you, eF. Gore's 1 for 4 in the category of "healthy for 16 games", plus he had well-chronicled injury issues in college. The sole 16 game season of his career (2006) was where he gained your overinflated opinion with 2000+ total yards, and he still didn't bust the double-digit TD barrier (he never has). To help your math, that was 3 seasons ago. Sure, he's had 1k rushing seasons since then, but just barely, and I'm not wasting a 1st round pick on an unreliable, league average guy when I can select his equal in the 4th round or later.
P.S. - Slaton notched 10 total TD's in his first season.
efactor
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Amazing how you skew stats in a feeble attempt to make your point.............
1) Gore missed two games his rookie year based more on team need than being injured. No missed games in 06, 1 in 07 and 2 in 08, so yeah, 3 out of 4years he didn't play a full schedule, but 5 missed games in 4 years doesn't constitute "injury prone".
2)His rushing numbers the last two years have been in the 1000-1100 and have been due more to his opportunities than his ability. Solid YPC at 4.3, but not enough carries mainly due to the team being behind and having to pass in order to catch up. Looking forward, the new staff wants to run the ball more and if that plan is implemented, Gore should be in the 300 carry range, which will take care of the yardage issue.
3) TDs are always a wildcard and to say that he won't get more than 8 because he hasn't in the past is just as foolish as saying Slaton will get double digits in TDs because he did it last year (only year). Steven Jackson had a huge TD year in 06 but hasn't repeated since. Williams had 20 last year but I wouldn't count on it in 09. Very few RBs are consistent with TDs, so looking to the current situation is smarter than looking at what has happened in the past.
Add in the fact that he is one of the best pure receivers among RBs (you would know if you actually watched him play vs just looking at stats), the entire SF offensive coaching staff should be fired if he gets less than 60 catches this year.
BTW, good luck picking out the 4th rounder who will outperform Gore this year. Sound strategy................
ExperiencedRookie
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For the sake of argument I want to take a closer look at this. The new staff says they want to run the ball more. That's all fine and dandy, but if they're still behind in games, won't that lead them right back where they were before? This is a SF team that still looks to be very inept on offense, and will likely play from behind in a lot of 3rd and 4th quarters. If the coaching staff would wise up and toss the rock to Gore more fantasy owners would love it, but that doesn't mean that is what will happen.
This thread is starting to get interesting now. This would mark the 1st time this year that a Close Call got to the level that they should IMO. Keep it up!
ExperiencedRookie
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I'd take a crack at that. Knowshon Moreno (4.06), Derrick Ward (5.05), and will ya give me Kevin Smith (3.11)?
efactor
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While I'm not predicting an offensive juggernaut in 09, inept is pretty strong. Most of the concerns center around the QB position and are legit to a point, but watching Hill on a weekly basis, I think he will do pretty well. The talk about Smith being the frontrunner is BS IMO. Here are the areas they have improved on since last year:
1) O-line: Young and talented group with Staley, Rachel and Baas (who is finally healthy). Heitmann is a solid center and hopefully, Smith can stay on the field and strengen the RT slot. Snyder is a super sub who can play guard or tackle and Sims adds some vet depth. Good group.
2) WR: The addition of Crabtree, along with the added experience of Morgan and Hill (who impressed in the slot), Bruce, Jones and Davis give the Niners their best group of receivers by far since T.O left. Crabtree is the big X-factor and hopefully will not suffer the rookie blues.
3) QB: I gotta believe that having an entire training camp will benefit Hill. He did a very good job last year coming in cold after they finally decided JT sucked too much to be the starter. With another year under his belt, I think he will be a viable starter.
In additon, they should have an improved defense this year. After Singletary took over, they simplfied the schemes and were more effective. Lawson should be fully recovered from his ACL and is an excellent player. Linebackers are very good, D-line looks solid and their pass rush should be good with McDonald, Harrelson, Lawson and Smith. Secondary is my biggest concern but an improved pass rush will help.
Anyway, I see them in a lot of close games this year, so that should help increase the amount of carries that Gore gets. In theory anyway.............
ExperiencedRookie
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From ER to EF..well done.
efactor
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While anything is possible, I seriously doubt it, but then, I think Gore will have an 06 type season with more TDS, so maybe I'm not being objective. However.....
Moreno: Of the three, I think he would be the most likely to have numbers close to Gore, however with Jordan (who is a solid back when healthy, look what he was doing in Oakland in 07) lurking and Hillis still in the gameplan (just read how much the new staff likes him), I don't see Moreno getting the opportunity for carries to be in Gore's class.
Ward: No chance in hell. He was in an ideal situation in NY with their great OL and a bruiser to soften the defense up. Graham is too good to not get 40 percent of the carries, so again, not enough opportunity or skill to be in Gores class.
Smith: Played well the second half of the year, but they are a pretty awful team and frankly, he doesn't have Gore's talent. I also think that by the time most drafts are held, he will be picked at the end of the 2nd or early 3rd at the latest in most drafts.
Time will tell of course, but IMO, to seriously think you can pick someone out of the tier 4 players in the 4th round who will perform like Gore is delusional. A long shot at best.
On the flip side, I'm not saying that Gore is any more of a sure thing than guys like Slaton or Williams who are in that same draft range, but to compare him to a 4th round gamble is kind of foolish IMO...............