Burress Plea

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Just read he is getting 2 years.

Anyone surprised at the length? Will there be additional time after he gets out that he will be suspended?

Is he done?
 
Arctic Dawgs

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The Plaxico Burress situation looks like it's headed for some closure. Burress pleaded guilty this morning and agreed to a two year prison term.
Link: Ex-Giant Burress pleads guilty in weapons case - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
Clipped from the AP/Yahoo article:
Former New York Giant Plaxico Burress(notes) pleaded guilty to a weapons charge and agreed to a two-year prison term for accidentally shooting himself at a Manhattan nightclub.
The ex-wide receiver pleaded guilty Thursday morning to one count of attempted criminal possession of a weapon, a lesser charge than he initially faced. Under a plea agreement, he agreed to a two-year prison sentence and two years of supervised release.
Burress was indicted earlier this month on two counts of criminal possession of a weapon and one count of reckless endangerment. He faced a minimum sentence of 3 1/2 years if convicted at a trial.
Burress’ sentencing is set for Sept. 22.
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As stated..they had him dead to rights, and he had no choice. It was either the plea deal, or 3.5 years in jail. NYC does not mess around with gun control laws.


Sadly, the guy who kills another guy won't even get a year in jail...what a system.:rolleyes:
 
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He was actually looking at a couple 3.5 year convictions (basically about 7 years), had he not went with the plea.

The funny thing about this is that we always complain about athletes and celebrities getting away with things that we could never get a way with. This time, it was just the opposite. Only reason it turned out this way for Burress is because the Mayor made such a big deal about it in the beginning.

Burress will miss two NFL seasons due to the prison time he will serve. 20 months served with good behavior, gets him out in time to sign with a team well before training camp in 2011. He will be 34 years old, young enough to still sign on with an team and be somewhat productive as a 2nd or 3rd receiver for a couple years. It's possible he could work his way back into a #1, but with this much time off the field, I doubt that will happen.

I don't believe Goodell will hand out any further suspension. He has stated that he is suspended from the league until he completes his jail time, at which he can then sign with another team. Sounds like that will be the extent of the suspension. Adding on an additional suspension from the league on top of the two seasons he will already miss would be senseless, and I am sure that there would be some major outrage by more than just NFL fans.
 
bodey24

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Phicinfan said:
As stated..they had him dead to rights, and he had no choice. It was either the plea deal, or 3.5 years in jail. NYC does not mess around with gun control laws.


Sadly, the guy who kills another guy won't even get a year in jail...what a system.:rolleyes:
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I agree. What Burress did was obviously stupid, but he didn't kill or hurt anyone else. I think he should have gotten the punishment Stallworth did, and Stallworth should have gotten the punishment Burress did. Stallworth kills someone and gets a slap on the wrist, and Burress shoots himself in the leg in public and gets the hammer brought down on him.
 
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bodey24 said:
I agree. What Burress did was obviously stupid, but he didn't kill or hurt anyone else. I think he should have gotten the punishment Stallworth did, and Stallworth should have gotten the punishment Burress did. Stallworth kills someone and gets a slap on the wrist, and Burress shoots himself in the leg in public and gets the hammer brought down on him.
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Strikes me as a gross oversimplification of the two situations.

Stallworth drank alcohol and drove. He had an accident that resulted in someone dying. The alcohol was not shown to have been the cause. After the fact he reacted pretty much like any upstanding citizen would have. He called in the accident, remained on scene and cooperated completely.

Burress intentionally brought a gun to a public place and thankfully he was drunk/stupid enough to eventually only hurt himself instead of others. He has acted after the fact pretty much like a criminal attempting to escape responsibility any way possible.

I feel sorry for Donte as well as his victim. I do not have much sympathy for Burress.
 
bodey24

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Strikes me as a gross oversimplification of the two situations.

Stallworth drank alcohol and drove. He had an accident that resulted in someone dying. The alcohol was not shown to have been the cause. After the fact he reacted pretty much like any upstanding citizen would have. He called in the accident, remained on scene and cooperated completely.

Burress intentionally brought a gun to a public place and thankfully he was drunk/stupid enough to eventually only hurt himself instead of others. He has acted after the fact pretty much like a criminal attempting to escape responsibility any way possible.

I feel sorry for Donte as well as his victim. I do not have much sympathy for Burress.
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Stallworth drank alcohol and got high before he got behind of the wheel! And you feel sorry for this dude for only getting 30 days in jail. He said he saw the guy crossing the street so he honked his horn and flashed his lights. Wouldn't someones first reaction be to slow down or slam the breaks? This isn't even a close comparison for me. They both knew what they were doing before they did it that it was wrong. When Donte did it his resulted in someone else dying. I can't feel sorry for someone who chooses to drink/smoke pot then drive and kill someone. You can feel sorry for whoever you want. Both of their actions were stupid and Dontes resulted in someone dying so he should have received the longer punishment IMO.
 
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bodey24 said:
Stallworth drank alcohol and got high before he got behind of the wheel! And you feel sorry for this dude for only getting 30 days in jail. He said he saw the guy crossing the street so he honked his horn and flashed his lights. Wouldn't someones first reaction be to slow down or slam the breaks? This isn't even a close comparison for me. They both knew what they were doing before they did it that it was wrong. When Donte did it his resulted in someone else dying. I can't feel sorry for someone who chooses to drink/smoke pot then drive and kill someone. You can feel sorry for whoever you want. Both of their actions were stupid and Dontes resulted in someone dying so he should have received the longer punishment IMO.
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Did I say I was feeling sorry for him because he got 30 days? No I did not. I simplpy said I feel sorry for him. Since you need some clarification, I feel sorry that he made the same mistake countless others have made and it resulted in someones death. Something he will have to live with the rest of his life.

You are going to crucify Stallworth because his immediate reaction was not what you wanted it to be. You have not been in a situation where your initial interpretation of a proper response did not turn out to be the correct one? He was apparently caught by surprise by someone running out in front of him and at least reacted. This tends to indicate fault was not all his.

I have been more impressed with how Stallworth "manned" up and took responsibility afterwards. For that I would even hold him out as an example to others. Because it is something you do not see very often in the news with celebrities, athletes... To base your judgment simply because of the end result is overly simplistic in my opinion and makes me wonder how well a grasp you have on the actual situations.
 
bodey24

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Did I say I was feeling sorry for him because he got 30 days? No I did not. I simplpy said I feel sorry for him. Since you need some clarification, I feel sorry that he made the same mistake countless others have made and it resulted in someones death. Something he will have to live with the rest of his life.

You are going to crucify Stallworth because his immediate reaction was not what you wanted it to be. You have not been in a situation where your initial interpretation of a proper response did not turn out to be the correct one? He was apparently caught by surprise by someone running out in front of him and at least reacted. This tends to indicate fault was not all his.

I have been more impressed with how Stallworth "manned" up and took responsibility afterwards. For that I would even hold him out as an example to others. Because it is something you do not see very often in the news with celebrities, athletes... To base your judgment simply because of the end result is overly simplistic in my opinion and makes me wonder how well a grasp you have on the actual situations.
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LOL. Chill out bud its just a discussion. Theres no need to get angry when someone has a different point of view then you.

I find it hard to believe that when people are caught by surprise by someone walking out in front of them that their first reaction is to flash their lights and honk their horn. Also we are assuming that the person who was drunk and high at the time is telling us exactly what happened. Just because he said he flashed his lights and honked his horn doesn't mean that he actually did it.

My point is that Burress and Stallworth both put themselves in situations where someone else could have been hurt. And in Stallworths case that is exactly what happened. So IMO Burress shouldn't have received a much harsher punishment. Countless others have made the same mistake, so maybe if the courts started handing out harsher punishments the number of people doing this might possibly go down. Slapping him on the wrist isn't going to scare anyone from doing this.
 
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bodey24 said:
LOL. Chill out bud its just a discussion. Theres no need to get angry when someone has a different point of view then you.

I find it hard to believe that when people are caught by surprise by someone walking out in front of them that their first reaction is to flash their lights and honk their horn. Also we are assuming that the person who was drunk and high at the time is telling us exactly what happened. Just because he said he flashed his lights and honked his horn doesn't mean that he actually did it.

My point is that Burress and Stallworth both put themselves in situations where someone else could have been hurt. And it Stallworths case that is exactly what happened. So IMO Burress shouldn't have gotten a much worse punishment. Countless others have made the same mistake, so maybe if the courts started handing out harsher punishments the number of people doing this might possibly go down. Slapping him on the wrist isn't going to scare anyone from doing this.
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Who is angry? Describing my interpretation of your position as simplisitic makes me angry? Lets not jump to conclusions just because someone has a point of view different from your own.

You find it hard to believe that someone catches sight of someone and does not immediately recognize that they are going to enter your lane of traffic and you take measures other than braking? Really?

Someone presents an explanation of what happened immediately after an incident supports its validity because there is not time to think of how to spin or fill in the ugly gaps that always come with the truth.

Stallworth and Burress both put themselves in their situations. Stallworth drank and after going home (for how long?) he drove. An accident occurred and a man at the very least contributing to the accident died. Burress, apparently sober brought a gun into a public facility and at some point and time (sober or not) made the decision to handle that gun in a manner where it was discharged.

I see a wide variation on culpability but if you can not we can agree to disagree and let it go. If the only explanation for your stance is Stallworth's victim died then I will continue to believe it is an oversimplification to enable easy digestion of your rationale.
 
bodey24

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Did I say I was feeling sorry for him because he got 30 days? No I did not. I simplpy said I feel sorry for him. Since you need some clarification, I feel sorry that he made the same mistake countless others have made and it resulted in someones death. Something he will have to live with the rest of his life.
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Seems like an angry response to me.
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Who is angry? Describing my interpretation of your position as simplisitic makes me angry? Lets not jump to conclusions just because someone has a point of view different from your own.

You find it hard to believe that someone catches sight of someone and does not immediately recognize that they are going to enter your lane of traffic and you take measures other than braking? Really?

Someone presents an explanation of what happened immediately after an incident supports its validity because there is not time to think of how to spin or fill in the ugly gaps that always come with the truth.

Stallworth and Burress both put themselves in their situations. Stallworth drank and after going home (for how long?) he drove. An accident occurred and a man at the very least contributing to the accident died. Burress, apparently sober brought a gun into a public facility and at some point and time (sober or not) made the decision to handle that gun in a manner where it was discharged.

I see a wide variation on culpability but if you can not we can agree to disagree and let it go. If the only explanation for your stance is Stallworth's victim died then I will continue to believe it is an oversimplification to enable easy digestion of your rationale.
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I could care less if we have a difference of opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I like to hear what some peoples opinions are.

LOL yes. If he didn't realize this guy was going to enter his lane of traffic then why would he honk his horn and flash his lights? Also why wouldn't he break just in case the person didn't hear the horn or see the flashing lights? He should have received a longer sentence whether it was his fault or not because him being drunk and high obviously slowed his reaction time down. To where if he was sober maybe he would have been able to react in time. But I guess we will never know.

All he would have to say is this guy unexpectedly stepped out into my lane of traffic and there was nothing I could do.

You can continue to believe whatever you want about my opinion because I could really care less. You gave your opinion and I gave mine, theres nothing more to discuss.
 
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bodey24 said:
I could care less if we have a difference of opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I like to hear what some peoples opinions are.

LOL yes. If he didn't realize this guy was going to enter his lane of traffic then why would he honk his horn and flash his lights? Also why wouldn't he break just in case the person didn't hear the horn or see the flashing lights? He should have received a longer sentence whether it was his fault or not because him being drunk and high obviously slowed his reaction time down. To where if he was sober maybe he would have been able to react in time. But I guess we will never know.

All he would have to say is this guy unexpectedly stepped out into my lane of traffic and there was nothing I could do.

You can continue to believe whatever you want about my opinion because I could really care less. You gave your opinion and I gave mine, theres nothing more to discuss.
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Your lack of care for many things is evident. So be it.

Wow. It is apparent you are married to your bias/position and can not get past the possibility of someone reacting in any manner, even if sober, than braking. You may have some history that makes you more sensitive to drunk driving than someone going out and committing crimes with a gun - if so, good luck dealing with that.
 
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