What to do, if you don't have a QB

[Phicinfan]

In case you haven't noticed the QB situation in the NFL is really, really bad. You don't have a whole lot of sure things that you would build a franchise on, short of Brady, Brees, and Rodgers.

So, what to do?

Lets take a look at each team, what they have at #1, and just as important, what they have at #2 if it pertains.

AFC
AFC East:
New England - well you have God if you believe all the hype with Brady. More importantly you have his heir apparant in Garoppolo, and by all rumors the Pats intend to sit on him.
Miami - this one is really fuzzy. You have Tannehill as the starter, but his knee is a question.
Buffalo - ???? - Some reports have them keeping Tyrod Taylor, others say he is too expensive, and they will cut bait and move on. Only other Qb on roster now post FA will be former THE Ohio State Qb Cardale Jones.
New York Jets - Yikes!! - Fitz will be gone, Geno will be gone, that leaves Hackenberg who didn't even rate a end of season try out and Petty.

AFC North:
Pittsburgh - you got Roethlisberger. But he is hinting at retirement soon so....
Cincinnati - you have Andy Dalton, with McCarron as back up, who may be a target, but Cincy wants to keep.
Baltimore - you have Flacco but his contract is due soon, and what has he done lately?
Cleveland - Yuck. McCown is gone. Not sure what to do with RGIII, Kessler is there but ......

AFC South:
Houston - Wow, they have Osweiler.....sigh, Tom Savage as well, and both will compete
Indianapolis - so is Luck all that? He came back to a team with little to no OL, and an aged Rb. Wr's dropped like flies during the season as well due to injuries.
Jacksonville - Bortles got the HC fired, and his former OC is now taking over. I think this will be a run heavy offense though.
Tennessee - Mariota did very well in his sophmore year. Has a great run game to rely on , and a solid TE. Desperately needs help at Wr though.

AFC West:
Denver - by all reports they are standing pat with Sieman and Paxton Lynch. Is it Lynching time
KC - A.Smith is the man, but Romo may be also if you believe rumors.
Sa...oops, LA Chargers - Rivers is still slinging it.
Oakland - Carr just looks the part, and McGloin may be trade bait for someone, with Cook on the bench.

So teams in need: Buffalo, Jets, Cleveland, Houston(but Osweiller will hurt this), and maybe Miami and Baltimore.

Now lets see what NFC has to offer -
NFC East:
Dallas - Dak is the man now, will Romo stay or go?
Washington - just slapped tag on Cousins again, but do they really want him? Strong rumors of going to San Fran in trade.
N.Y.Giants - Eli is still there, but he is only getting older
Philadelphia - Wentz is the now and the future in Philly.

NFC North:
Green Bay- Rodgers it is
Minnesota - Bradford is locked as starter, they still have Bridgewater but he may not be back due to injury ore even be what he was.
Detroit - Stafford is the man,but his deal is almost up.
Chicago - by all reports they will cut ties with Cutler,Barkley is there(never thought that would be said...) and not much else.

NFC South:
Tampa Bay - He has a big mouth, but Winston is solid, question is what happens with Glennon.
New Orleans - Brees is still there, but his time is almost up
Carolina - Newton is the man
Atlanta - M.Ryan is back!

NFC West:
Seattle - Wilson makes this easy
Arizona - Palmer is returning, but how much does he have left?
L.A.Rams - Goff or bust? - leaning Bust?
San Francisco - by all reports Kaepernick has opted out, Gabbert again??

Teams in need - Chicago, San Fran. But depending on what happens this off season, Washington could be hurting as well.

Current NFL Qbs that could be had:
Tony Romo - I don't see Dallas affording to keep Romo on bench with that salary.
Tyrod Taylor - Again,Buffalo won't pay it.
Jimmy Garoppolo - supposedly they won't trade him, but are they driving up the price?
Mike Glennon - he was solid when he had a shot
A.J. McCarron - he will cost to get, Cincy loves him and loves what he does for them.
Josh McCown- not a great starter - but solid,solid back up Qb
Mike McGoin - some reports say he has value - maybe Houston with his old college coach?
Bobby Hoyer - how many chances does this guy get?
Ryan Fitzpatrick - Yuck

By all reports so far in draft the top few are:
1) Mitch Trubisky UNC - but only has 13 college starts, but has all the metrics
2a) Deshaun Watson Clemson - wins big games, but so so stats
2b) Deshone Kizer Notre Dame - great tools, but very inaccurate.
3) who cares?

Per most reports, all three deserve a round 2 rating.

So if you were Chicago, San Fran, Buffalo, Jets or Cleveland what do you do?
-One of them are praying Romo gets released as reported and way over pays to get him. He is wanting a ring,and not sure any of these teams can get him one.
-Push hard to deal for Garoppolo. - NE loves this kid, then again, they love all their back up Qbs, so not sure that means much.
- Draft one of the top three Qbs, but not until later in the first. If I am Cleveland, I draft DE in 1.1, and then maybe deal 1.12 down for more picks to snag one of these three later.
- take a shot on one of the other back ups - Glennon, McCarron or McGloin.

Either way, not a good year to be Qb needy.

 

[efactor]

I still think SF and Washington work out a Cousins trade with the most likely combination being the talked about Cousins and #17 for #2 and maybe a 3rd next year

I think Cousins really wants to play for Shanahan, so a long term deal with Washington probably won't happen, unless they put crazy money on the table, which I doubt they do. They aren't going to tag him next year at 34 million and they aren't going to win the super bowl this year, so why not maximize his value here? They move to #2 (Allen) and save a lot of cap space to use on the defense.

 

[Phicinfan]

Only issue with that is ,what does Washington do for a starter? Go out and sign Romo? I actually like that. But not sure what Dallas will do with Romo if they see Washington deals away Cousins. Draft a youngster, none of these guys are start ready.

I find it very hard to believe Washington will walk away from a solid starting Qb for nothing.

 

[ExperiencedRookie]

Only issue with that is ,what does Washington do for a starter? Go out and sign Romo? I actually like that. But not sure what Dallas will do with Romo if they see Washington deals away Cousins. Draft a youngster, none of these guys are start ready.

I find it very hard to believe Washington will walk away from a solid starting Qb for nothing.

Why haven't they locked him up the last 2 years then? Does that organization not believe in him?

 

[Phicinfan]

Why haven't they locked him up the last 2 years then? Does that organization not believe in him?

That is an excellent question. My gut says no. I also know right now Washington is in a lot of flux. The GM has basically been sent home by the team, not sure if its due to this or some other. He was sent home from the combine. He reported it as a family death(grandmother) but reports out now are saying the TEAM shipped him home, and no reason as to why.

I agree if they really wanted him, they should have signed him THIS year. I get last year, as he was still unproven.

 

[Phicinfan]

So, here is a REALLY interesting rumor......

IF Denver decides that Paxton Lynch is not ready, and they go and get Romo, Buffalo is really interested in getting Siemian. Key here is the OC in Buffalo was coached Siemian last year, and feels he could learn the system quicker.

I am betting beyond belief you will see a ton of QB trades or moves this year. None of these young draftable Qbs are starter ready, and we have at least 5 NFL teams needing a QB.

I look for bids or trades on back ups like Glennon, Garropolo, McCarron and Romo will be high, but I am betting he wants to go to a team that can win NOW

 

[mudloggerone]

That is an excellent question. My gut says no. I also know right now Washington is in a lot of flux. The GM has basically been sent home by the team, not sure if its due to this or some other. He was sent home from the combine. He reported it as a family death(grandmother) but reports out now are saying the TEAM shipped him home, and no reason as to why.

I agree if they really wanted him, they should have signed him THIS year. I get last year, as he was still unproven.

Unless I'm mistaken the Grandmother passed close to a month ago now.

 

[efactor]

None of these young draftable Qbs are starter ready, and we have at least 5 NFL teams needing a QB.

Please. Nobody knows if these young guys are starter ready yet. I'm 100 percent sure that Dak wasn't "starter ready" last year, nor was Russell Wilson, Andy Dalton, David Carr or Tom Brady in their rookie seasons. Just because none of them project out to be this years Andrew Luck doesn't mean they won't be immediate starters and do well in the right system.

 

[mudloggerone]

Well Kaep is on the market officially now if some team wants to be dumb. Oh that's the Jets on the line isn't it?

 

[hikeNbike]

Well Kaep is on the market officially now if some team wants to be dumb. Oh that's the Jets on the line isn't it?

He's agreed to stand for the Anthem. Guess protest ends when u need a job?

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[mudloggerone]

He's such a dick that his name should be Richard.

 

[efactor]

Well Kaep is on the market officially now if some team wants to be dumb. Oh that's the Jets on the line isn't it?

John Lynch was on Sirius radio yesterday and they asked if Kaepernick would have been cut if he hadn't opted out. With ZERO hesitation, Lynch answered "yes". Didn't try to sugar coat any of it. Just struck me as funny.

I came to actually hate him last year, which is unusual for me in the sporting world. None of his stance seemed real or sincere. He was fading away and any attention was better than none.

Good riddance to that POS

 

[hikeNbike]

Get the Texans on the phone. Tony Romo for JJ Watt book it. Both have health issues. Both are at or near the top players at their positions when healthy. It's a win win.

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[mudloggerone]

The Cowboys would be over joyed with that one, Texans I dunno but I think not.

 

[Phicinfan]

Please. Nobody knows if these young guys are starter ready yet. I'm 100 percent sure that Dak wasn't "starter ready" last year, nor was Russell Wilson, Andy Dalton, David Carr or Tom Brady in their rookie seasons. Just because none of them project out to be this years Andrew Luck doesn't mean they won't be immediate starters and do well in the right system.

Dalton wasn't starter ready, he was pretty bad his first year, Brady didn't start til end of season. Wilson played his way in, but he had one of the best offensive lines on a run heavy defense,....you know like Dak.

I have said it here before and will say it again. If you have a team, with a well built offense(solid OL and WRs and Rbs and/or TE) you can take a young kid and make him viable and let him grow with the system and protect him.

That is NOT the case in Cleveland, NY Jets, San Francisco, Chicago. Buffalo could be an option, with a improving O-line, McCoy at rb to lean on, and Watkins and Co. at Wr. My point is a Dak or even one of these kids could be great if they had tools to work with, but if drafted by these few needy teams, most won't be worth a tinkers damn.

 

[Phicinfan]

So, NE wants to keep Garoppolo....

Well by reports they are now interviewing vet Qbs like McCown incase he is dealt.

Quite honestly the need is so high, and the talent so low....they won't get better value in that trade than this year.

 

[Phicinfan]

Now the talk is happening:

Per Rapoport of NFL Network there is talks of a three team deal - Dallas sends Romo to Washington, Washington sends Cousins to San Fran, and Dallas gets picks.

this would be huge, and it feels like a move Washington owner would do.

 

[efactor]

Dalton wasn't starter ready, he was pretty bad his first year, Brady didn't start til end of season. Wilson played his way in, but he had one of the best offensive lines on a run heavy defense,....you know like Dak.

I have said it here before and will say it again. If you have a team, with a well built offense(solid OL and WRs and Rbs and/or TE) you can take a young kid and make him viable and let him grow with the system and protect him.

That is NOT the case in Cleveland, NY Jets, San Francisco, Chicago. Buffalo could be an option, with a improving O-line, McCoy at rb to lean on, and Watkins and Co. at Wr. My point is a Dak or even one of these kids could be great if they had tools to work with, but if drafted by these few needy teams, most won't be worth a tinkers damn.

Dalton wasn't bad at all his rookie season. Statistically better than "starter ready" picks like Peyton and Eli Manning

Wilson started from game 1. Granted, they had a top defense and running game (although their O-line was nothing special. Beast Mode made the running game good) but he was "starter ready"

As far as Dak, I would be willing to bet Dallas wouldn't trade him to Cleveland for the #1 pick this year, so his success has more to do with his talent than his situation.

Of course a young QB will have more success than he would with a bad team. Duh. But so will a vet QB. History is full of 1st round QBs drafted by good teams. You have it or you don't. Cream rises.................

 

[Phicinfan]

Dalton wasn't bad at all his rookie season. Statistically better than "starter ready" picks like Peyton and Eli Manning

Wilson started from game 1. Granted, they had a top defense and running game (although their O-line was nothing special. Beast Mode made the running game good) but he was "starter ready"

As far as Dak, I would be willing to bet Dallas wouldn't trade him to Cleveland for the #1 pick this year, so his success has more to do with his talent than his situation.

Of course a young QB will have more success than he would with a bad team. Duh. But so will a vet QB. History is full of 1st round QBs drafted by good teams. You have it or you don't. Cream rises.................

We can agree to disagree.

Actually the O-line was dominant in Seattle when Russell started, it has deteriorated post that first year.
Dak is a solid Qb, he has talent I won't argue there. But lets be honest, he is not all that, he is a product of that offense, that line and those tools. and now Dallas would not trade Dak for anything right now, but they will trade Romo.

I have to look at Dalton, I think his numbers are a bit skewed, living in Cincy, he had a lot of rough games his first year.

 

[ExperiencedRookie]

He's agreed to stand for the Anthem. Guess protest ends when u need a job?

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Nope. Race relations just happened to improve to Kaep's standards at the perfect time.

Guy is a freaking joke. Pretends to be socially actibe, all while not bothering to vote. Then makes a charitable donation once he gets called on the carpet for it. Then goes ahead and cancels his protest when it's no longer serving his needs.