Tebow trying to get better

storminn0rm

Brewmaster
(RotoWire) In an effort to quiet his critics and refine his game, Tebow is changing the way he holds a football, shifting it from his waist to his shoulder, and he plans to unveil a new throwing style at his Pro Day on March 17th, ESPN.com reports. Analysis: Tebow is also concentrating on taking three and five-step drops instead of working out of the shotgun formation he did at Florida. He will attend the scouting combine in Indianapolis, which run from February 24th through March 2nd, but he won't do any throwing, preferring to give himself more time to practice his new techniques.
 

Sgt John

Sith Lord of T&A
Of course the "hired guns" will always talk their guy up, but what Ive read indicates hes made massive progress in a short amount of time.

That said, he is VERY smart to NOT throw at the combine and simply wow with interviewing acumen and physical stats, then throwing later in the safety of a totally scripted session.
 

WesDawg

'Burghapologist
what would've been even smarter is for him to have been starting on this last year at this time instead of coming up with what to write on his eyeblack stickers for each game.
The whole issue with his fundamental mechanics didn't just suddenly surface leading up to Senior Bowl week, it was thoroughly addressed after last season before he declared he was returning. Could've ironed out these issues last offseason, in spring practice, and all throughout the season and would now only have to be adjusting his footwork in the pocket instead of trying to totally re-invent himself in 2 months.
 

catman

Baseball "Expert"
Moderator
I agree. He was a pretty good college QB, but his game doesn't translate well to the pro-game. If he'd have shown the scouts that he could play "their" way at game speed, he'd be in a lot better position going into the draft.
 

derringer007

"Its An Outrage"
Why is Tebow waiting until now for, isn't the whole idea of going to college for 4 yrs is to groom your self for the next step to the NFL
better late than never i guess
 

DearbornDolfan

Active Member
Honestly, I can understand why he waited to do this. In college, you know your receivers and they know you, so if there's a mutual comfort you don't want to screw that up. You also don't want to change your motion before the all-star game and find out that it doesn't really work. Tebow, IMO, did the smart thing by learning from the experience and fixing his mechanics based upon that experience.
 

WesDawg

'Burghapologist
Fixing a flawed slow release would've only helped his receiving corps. The receivers could care less about what angle that thing comes flying out of his hand.. But the DB's and LB's that are covering them certainly do.
1/2 a second less reaction time by a defender can mean the world sometimes.
 

Sgt John

Sith Lord of T&A
A guy from Tennesee changed his mechanics between college and his rookie year.

Some guy named Peyton Manning.
 

catman

Baseball "Expert"
Moderator
He turned out pretty well, didn't he? If Tebow can improve half that much, he'll be fine.
 

derringer007

"Its An Outrage"
Tebow is way over rated and will be the next Ryan Leaf on a smaller scale

His play in the Senior Bowl was damn pitiful at best the NFL will eat him alive :meal:
 

Sgt John

Sith Lord of T&A
Tebow is way over rated and will be the next Ryan Leaf on a smaller scale

Youre right. He could be the next JaMarcus Russell. He could also be the next Drew Brees.

I have to give the guy this. He is more intelligent than alot of the busts he is already being compared too.
 

Remote Controller

Well-Known Member
I don't doubt anyone that has the desire this young man has. I also will say that his strong faith is a bonus and in know way a detriment.
 

WesDawg

'Burghapologist
A guy from Tennesee changed his mechanics between college and his rookie year.

Some guy named Peyton Manning.

Apples & "Oranges", Sarge.

Manning was essentially a 4-year starter in a pro-style offense as opposed to a 3-year starter in a gimmicky (yet effective) college-centric scheme. Tweaking a few things is way different than completely blowing everything up and starting from scratch. I'm very certain Peyton didn't decide to change how he grips the football, for instance, nor did he have to learn how to consistently handle the Center exchange or correctly execute a 3/5-step dropback without tripping over yourself.
My earlier point was that he could've already fixed the mechanical part last year at this time, so now all he would've had to do was adjust to a new scheme. Everyone knew this was going to be an obstacle for him.
 

WesDawg

'Burghapologist
Youre right. He could be the next JaMarcus Russell. He could also be the next Drew Brees.

I have to give the guy this. He is more intelligent than alot of the busts he is already being compared too.

Danny Wuerffel was very intelligent, too. And quite righteous as well.. And a Heisman-Winning Gator QB!!!

:grin:
 

DearbornDolfan

Active Member
I don't like the "gimmick offense" argument. Frankly, it's downright bullshit. There are no concepts in any pro offense that are not found in college offenses. If anything, learning a college offense is harder because every offense is a well-oiled machine with a multiplicity of concepts that you'd never see in the pros, while pro offenses are all a mish-mash of this and that with basically minimal variance.
 

Sgt John

Sith Lord of T&A
Apples & "Oranges", Sarge.

Manning was essentially a 4-year starter in a pro-style offense as opposed to a 3-year starter in a gimmicky (yet effective) college-centric scheme. Tweaking a few things is way different than completely blowing everything up and starting from scratch. I'm very certain Peyton didn't decide to change how he grips the football, for instance, nor did he have to learn how to consistently handle the Center exchange or correctly execute a 3/5-step dropback without tripping over yourself.
My earlier point was that he could've already fixed the mechanical part last year at this time, so now all he would've had to do was adjust to a new scheme. Everyone knew this was going to be an obstacle for him.

Tebow's career completion percentage is better than Mannings was.
He threw for 88 TDs to Mannings 90.
He threw 16 INTs to Mannings 33
He threw for 9.33 yards per attempt to Mannings 8.27
He threw for 14.04 yards per completion to Mannings 13.16

Looking at what little film I can find of Tenny back then, Manning had Jamal Lewis to do his running. Tebow didnt. Looked like quite a few 3 and 4 WR spread sets for Manning back then. Saw quite a few "gimmick" plays.

Sure he was under center more. The spread wasnt hot then like it is now. I dont remember that many HS QBs who werent under center then. Thats changed now.

Regarding "fixing things last year", it is not the job of colleges to get players ready for the NFL. Do some do it, yes they do, but to expect Urban Meyer, Bob Stoops, Mack Brown, Pete Carroll, Jim Tressell, Brian Kelly, or any other college coach to change his entire offense and throw winning out the door to get a guy ready for the NFL is BS. Tim Tebow, like Colt McCoy, Terrell Pryor, Drew Brees, etc etc etc went to their schools to win. I guarentee you ask any one of them to choose between losing and being drafted in the 2nd round or winning a national title and going in the 3rd or 4th, and they will take that title every time.

Comparing Tim Tebow to Danny Wueffel isnt a fair comparision either. Tebow is a different kind of QB than he was.

So he doesnt fit your 6-5 statue QB prototype? People said the same shit about Drew Brees and he turned out well. Jeff Garcia wasnt too bad. I remember a guy named Randall Cunningham that did well. Hell even Vick won playoff games before he drowned the dogs.

By your standards, Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, and David Carr should have turned out to be super stars and those guys should have been bench warming busts, but as history shows that argument isnt going to work for you.

In case you missed it the last decade or so, the spread offense is the thing in college and high school now. Take a look around, and you will see tons of QBs who are at D1 schools and never had a hand up a centers ass. Thats the way of things now. The NFL is going to have to either adjust to this, which some teams are, or they are going to have to learn to find guys with raw talent and ability who are smart enough to be molded into what they want them to be, and stop hunting for 6-5 statues.

Tim Tebow could have sat back, not done a damn thing, and got drafted high. I will give him he has balls to face this stuff head on and show teams he WANTS to get better and WILL take coaching and WILL work his ass off. I'll admit, as Floridas QB I hated the guy. As a pro QB prospect with heart, desire, and the strength to face his flaws and actually try to correct them and get better rather than sit on his ass and do nothing, I respect him.
 
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