Spinoff: Rookie draft thoughts, what about QBs?

[JScott]

After reading deringer's "1st dynasty draft" thread, I was surprised no one was mentioning rookie QBs. I'm in two dynasty leagues where we start 2 QBs. In one of the leagues I have 1.02. I'm pretty set at RB (SJax, Gore, McGahee, F.Jackson and M.Morris) but real thin at QB (Campbell, E.Manning/Carr, Thigpen/Croyle, Stanton). The guy at 1.01 is stacked at QB, set at RB and real thin at WR so I figure he'll go with Crabtree if he doesn't trade out, leaving me a choice between Moreno, Wells, Stafford or Sanchez. Don't know why but just have a gut feeling that Sanchez will emerge as the better QB over Stafford, so out of QB need am leaning towards him, but feel I can get him at 1.04 (after Wells, Moreno and Crabtree). Any feedback on these thoughts would be appreciated.


(dukdown's top 9 is below for reference)

1.01 Chris Wells
1.02 Knowshon Moreno
1.03 Michael Crabtree
1.04 Donald Brown
1.05 LeSean McCoy
1.06 Jeremy Maclin
1.07 Darrius Heyward-Bey
1.08 Shonn Greene
1.09 Hackeem Nicks

 

[Mustang Jones]

JScott

I think you are Ok with Eli and Jason in a two QB start format. Zorn didn't draft a QB. I think that means he's giving Jason a vote of confidence and at least one more year.

If I was a big fan of Sanchez, I'd recommend. I'm not so sure based on Pete thinking he should stay at the factory one more year.

May as well give Beanie a shot.

Man, McCoy is tempting, too

 

[gruntbusters]

Why is Maclin rated higher than Nicks? With Jackson, Curtis and Westbrook all grabbing catches how does Maclin's sitiation outweigh Nicks? I don't doubt that he's a fast guy and talented.

 

[JScott]

Why is Maclin rated higher than Nicks? With Jackson, Curtis and Westbrook all grabbing catches how does Maclin's sitiation outweigh Nicks? I don't doubt that he's a fast guy and talented.

Just read that Maclin is running at split end so he'll probably take Curtis' spot eventually... not sure what duk's reasoning is though :dunno:

 

[JScott]

UPDATE

After reading deringer's "1st dynasty draft" thread, I was surprised no one was mentioning rookie QBs. I'm in two dynasty leagues where we start 2 QBs. In one of the leagues I have 1.02. I'm pretty set at RB (SJax, Gore, McGahee, F.Jackson and M.Morris) but real thin at QB (Campbell, E.Manning/Carr, Thigpen/Croyle, Stanton). The guy at 1.01 is stacked at QB, set at RB and real thin at WR so I figure he'll go with Crabtree if he doesn't trade out, leaving me a choice between Moreno, Wells, Stafford or Sanchez. Don't know why but just have a gut feeling that Sanchez will emerge as the better QB over Stafford, so out of QB need am leaning towards him, but feel I can get him at 1.04 (after Wells, Moreno and Crabtree). Any feedback on these thoughts would be appreciated.

So I ended up trading into the #1 spot after all.... I gave up Gore/Coles/3.06 for 1.01/Cassel.... and took Moreno. Now I have a decision at 1.02. Do I add Wells (now that I'm set at QB) or trade down to mid/late 1st round and grab best available RB/WR? I'd post the offer but a member of my league is an SO member too so don't want to give anything up yet.

 

[Miller]

2 QB leagues are different monsters. IMO, in those types of leagues they take on an importance equal to or greater than RB's. Simple supply and demand. Depending on how many teams, but with 12 teams, you need 24 starters, simple math tells you that only leaves 8 back-ups....If it's a 10 team, then still only 12 b/u's.

In your situation I would tend to look to QB as well. I'd be hesitant to take him at 1.2 though, but a trade down would be a best case scenario.

I disagree on your assessment on Sanchez and would much rather have Stafford and try to p/u C-Pepp as a cuff on the cheap. But if your a believer in Sanchez, go that route, but my pick would be Stafford.

If I was ignoring team needs, in a league as you mentioned I would rank players in the following order assuming this is not a ppr league:
1. Moreno
2. Wells
3. Crabtree
4. Stafford
5. McCoy
6. Brown
7. Sanchez
8. Greene
9. Nicks

 

[Miller]

So I ended up trading into the #1 spot after all.... I gave up Gore/Coles/3.06 for 1.01/Cassel.... and took Moreno. Now I have a decision at 1.02. Do I add Wells (now that I'm set at QB) or trade down to mid/late 1st round and grab best available RB/WR? I'd post the offer but a member of my league is an SO member too so don't want to give anything up yet.

Nice deal!!

Depending on your QB situation you may want to taske a look at Crabtree. But Wells is a great selection as well. If you deal down you can go many different routes. You could still go QB in a trade down and stockpile QB's, never a bad idea when you start 2. I like the trade down idea if you can get enough value.

 

[Mustang Jones]

as a former College owner of Nicks, I gotta say, cool your jets!

Nicks is not gonna be anything more than a project.

what's that Hakeem? I can't hear a thing you are saying? What? oh. you're a great WR that is quiet. ohhh...k.

I dig the cat. but i'm so over believing believing will get them over the hump.

 

[JScott]

2 QB leagues are different monsters. IMO, in those types of leagues they take on an importance equal to or greater than RB's. Simple supply and demand. Depending on how many teams, but with 12 teams, you need 24 starters, simple math tells you that only leaves 8 back-ups....If it's a 10 team, then still only 12 b/u's.

In your situation I would tend to look to QB as well. I'd be hesitant to take him at 1.2 though, but a trade down would be a best case scenario.

I disagree on your assessment on Sanchez and would much rather have Stafford and try to p/u C-Pepp as a cuff on the cheap. But if your a believer in Sanchez, go that route, but my pick would be Stafford.

If I was ignoring team needs, in a league as you mentioned I would rank players in the following order assuming this is not a ppr league:
1. Moreno
2. Wells
3. Crabtree
4. Stafford
5. McCoy
6. Brown
7. Sanchez
8. Greene
9. Nicks

Thanks for the feedback Miller. This is a 12 team PPR league. Also PM sent.

 

[JScott]

Made a second deal...

Gave 1.02 + M.Morris, got T.Jones + 2010 1st rounder

So the net of the two trades:

Lost:
F.Gore
M.Morris
L.Coles
1.02
3.06

Added:
T.Jones
M.Cassell
1.01 (Moreno)
2010 1st rounder

 

[mills]

Not sure how I feel about that trade. Thomas Jones is old and probably in his last year with the Jets. the 1.2 would have netted you Wells or Moreno who have tons more upside than Jones. Who knows what the 2010 1st rounder will be...

 

[JScott]

Not sure how I feel about that trade. Thomas Jones is old and probably in his last year with the Jets. the 1.2 would have netted you Wells or Moreno who have tons more upside than Jones. Who knows what the 2010 1st rounder will be...

Thanks for the feedback mills... this was my second trade... I had already traded into the 1.01 and grabbed Moreno (please see the net results of the two trades)

 

[mills]

I see it and I would still rather have Moreno and Wells. Both a probable studs for years to come. Jones is on his last leg.

 

[JScott]

I see it and I would still rather have Moreno and Wells. Both a probable studs for years to come. Jones is on his last leg.

Understood. Obviously I didn't include all the details of our league and my roster so you're going on what info I provided... but just to break down the 2nd trade, M.Morris is a throw-in IMO he would never see my starting lineup unless I had 4 other RBs go down in front of him (or K.Smith gets hurt)... so for me it's really Wells for T.Jones + 2010 1st rounder. Neither Wells nor Moreno are "can't miss" guys like a Calvin Johnson or AD, so I picked up a top RB to fill in for the next year or so until Moreno has solidified his role and will have a shot at another top rookie next season in addition. To me this seems like a no brainer but that's because you and I see Wells differently.

 

[mills]

No, I just don't see Thomas Jones as a top guy. He had a great year last year with Farve pulling attention but with no clear QB in sight and a fresh pair of legs in the mix I don't see Jones making it through the end of the year especially with anything near what he had last year. Wells on the other hand has a solid chance of being the starting back on a high powered offense that, in my eyes, will be focusing more on the run. It's obvious they want to get away from their one dimensional passing attack, so Wells will get his touches. I could see your point to some extent if this was a Redraft league but being dynasty that 1.2 was worth way more than Jones is.

 

[Da Bomb]

i have to agree. you wouldve been better off keeping the pick and taking moreno and beanie. beanie has more trade value than you got for him imo.

 

[JScott]

No, I just don't see Thomas Jones as a top guy. He had a great year last year with Farve pulling attention but with no clear QB in sight and a fresh pair of legs in the mix I don't see Jones making it through the end of the year especially with anything near what he had last year. Wells on the other hand has a solid chance of being the starting back on a high powered offense that, in my eyes, will be focusing more on the run. It's obvious they want to get away from their one dimensional passing attack, so Wells will get his touches. I could see your point to some extent if this was a Redraft league but being dynasty that 1.2 was worth way more than Jones is.

:headscratch: You don't seem to be taking into consideration (just above) that I got another 1st rounder back in return as well. And the guy I got it from is in a rebuilding mode so it will probably be a top 5 pick. I guess we won't know how it turns out until next's years pick is in.

 

[JScott]

i have to agree. you wouldve been better off keeping the pick and taking moreno and beanie. beanie has more trade value than you got for him imo.

The only other offer I had on the table was 1.08 + Sproles :dunno:

The guys in this league are not enamored with this draft class. So I guess I'm sort of taking the Patriots approach to drafting... if what you really want in this years draft isn't available, trade for another shot at it next season.

 

[mills]

My view of trading for a pick in the next years draft is this. It's more of a crap shoot than the current year's pick. I also take whatever round the pick is and flush back a round. So a 1st next year is really a 2nd in terms of value.

 

[Cooley Cadets]

QBs. Cassel, EManning, Campbell
RBs. SJax, KMoreno, McGahee, TJones, F.Jackson
WRs. ?

Cassell solidifies your QB and Moreno will hopefully offset the loss of Gore but I do like the pick up of Jones as a viable situational starter - something I would not like going into the season counting on Jax or Morris for.

Did not see who your WRs were - how are they compared to having had the opportunity to snag Crabs at 1.02?