Redskins QB RG3 has knee surgery.

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A coach of his stature can, and should stand up to his star athlete for the good of the athlete and team. He failed his athlete, his team, his owner, and himself with his gutlessness. I bet he is having trouble sleeping, and I bet RGIII is asking himself....WTF was I thinking? They both have plenty of time on their hands now.

 

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I will add to Tekies post, this is football. By this point in the season almost everyone is playing injured. I don't see anyone ranting on San Fran for letting them let Smith play with a torn muscle which doesn't even allow him to raise his arm. Or Ray Lewis playing with basically a knee brace on his arm as well.

While I agree they risked the "franchise" player, he was able to play the week before and survive, and this was a playoff game.

 

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In this instance he tweaked the knee in the first possession. He was left in in extreme risk.

 

[Phicinfan]

In this instance he tweaked the knee in the first possession. He was left in in extreme risk.

So assumption is, that the further injury to knee had to happen during the first tweek? We don't know that.

for all we know, he had tears to the ACL or LCL before, and was playing through it. Or it could have just happened at the last injury, which could have happened to any player on that field. We simply don't know when it occurred.

There are alot of folks making assumptions without all the correct information.

Again, I blame the field and Snyder for not fixing the field.

 

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It took me about ten seconds to find this:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/583727-true-grit-top-10-gutsiest-performances-in-sports-history

Some great stories in here. Most of you over the age of 40 will remember a lot of them.

Curt Schilling pitching in the ALCS with torn stitches in his ankle.

Brian Leftwich being carried to the line of scrimmage by his teammates because he couldn't walk. (CFL?)

Ronnie Lott chopping off his own finger so he could return to the game.

Where were the managers/coaches in these situations? Did anyone call for their heads?

Of course not....Know why? Because they WON.

Winning determines whether you are a hero or an idiot.

If Kirk Gibson's HR vs Oakland had hit the wall instead of going over, and he collapsed on his way to first and was thrown out....Would he be a hero? Would the manager still be a genius? Nope. Lasorda would have been an idiot.

Conversely, if RG3 had led a comeback victoy playing on one leg, would you still be calling for Shanahan's termination? You're a liar if you answer yes.


Now somebody search for a list of the "Top Ten Safest Decisions Of All Time".

Hmmm....even Google will laugh at you. Why? Because no one cares. No one cares that Lovie Smith may have saved Jay Cutler's career. All anyone cares about is winning and the Bears didn't win.

Personally, I never agree with playing an injured player. If your back up @ 100% isn't better than your starter @ 70% then you've got problems anyway. But that means I wouldn't have let Schilling pitch, Kirk Gibson would have stayed on the trainers table and Ronnie Lott would have exited to the hospital.

What a boring world it be if people didn't risk being an idiot for the chance at being a hero.

Again, pure drivel............

We're not talking about an athlete giving it a go. We're talking about a coach who should have stood up and made the call that was best for his team and for the young player risking further injury. RG was injured. He couldn't run and he couldn't plant his foot to throw the ball. He was hurting the team in addition to risking injury.

-Schilling injured was still better than the other options they had. Plus rumor was that the blood on his sock was planted. Probably not true, but he wasn't as hurt as legend has it.

-Gibson pitch hit. One at bat. Again the best option and while it was a great moment in sports history, he wasn't hurting his team by being in there nor risking his career

-Lott cutting off his finger to play was awesome, but again, not hurting his team and risking further injury. The pinkie was so jacked up at that point, it would have been useless the rest of his life anyway

-Leftwich game was very cool, but in the moment, it was played out and it was a couple plays. RG was injured in the 1st quarter.


You can try to justify Shanahans decision by recalling great moments that have no similarities to RGs situation, but the bottom line is that he blew it on this one. Lost the game and injured his young franchise player. I'm not in the group that thinks he should lose his job over it as that would put the organization back to ground zero. A coach and a system is so pivotal in the NFL compared to other sports. You can't just toss one aside due to one bad decision, but that doesn't take away from the fact that it was a bad decision and one that severely injured the franchise QB.

 

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So assumption is, that the further injury to knee had to happen during the first tweek? We don't know that.

for all we know, he had tears to the ACL or LCL before, and was playing through it. Or it could have just happened at the last injury, which could have happened to any player on that field. We simply don't know when it occurred.

There are alot of folks making assumptions without all the correct information.

Again, I blame the field and Snyder for not fixing the field.

Then I wonder how close you were watching the game. I'm not trying to be argument at all, I just can't see how you can say this. He was barely effective on his first carry. It was after he went down awkwardly on the sideline on his second carry or so that you could see it on his face. You could also see that he was doing anything he could to hide it. That is something he really couldn't hide. This was a coaching disaster.....no other way to put it. I guess this is one of those times where we won't agree and that's okay.

 

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Then I wonder how close you were watching the game. I'm not trying to be argument at all, I just can't see how you can say this. He was barely effective on his first carry. It was after he went down awkwardly on the sideline on his second carry or so that you could see it on his face. You could also see that he was doing anything he could to hide it. That is something he really couldn't hide. This was a coaching disaster.....no other way to put it. I guess this is one of those times where we won't agree and that's okay.

I did see the game, and I have played with a knee if football(not NFL obviously). ANY knee injury hurts, torn or stretched Ligaments cause distinct pain.

yes, every time he twists that knee it could hurt more.

Again, we don't know when the big injury happened. There is no way to know. Most coaches are relying on the med. staff. If that player says he can play and is moving on the sidelines he plays.

Good grief this is a playoff game, and last year the team sucked. If you player says he can go, and med. staff doesn't stop it, why blame Shannahan?

Trust me, you can play with a torn ligament in your knee. It hurts like hell, but it can be done.

 

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Trust me, you can play with a torn ligament in your knee. It hurts like hell, but it can be done.

No stabilization in knee. Couldn't run and couldn't plant to pass. True, you can play, but not well.

After I tore my ACL, I waited about 6 months for surgury. Could walk without pain, but with even the slightest misstep, the knee would buckle and hurt like hell for a couple minutes. Can't imagine even a world class athlete trying to play a game against other world class athletes with an ACL injury. I don't know when he actually tore the ligiment, but he was past the point of being effective after the tackle on the sideline in the 1st quarter.

I appreciate the fact that he tried to make a go of it, but Shanahan needed to make the right call and he didn't.