Preseason week 1

[Miller]

Sjax is a 3 down back...period. The notion that you think Jacquizz will be relevant this year is wrong. If the Falcons felt that Sjax was not their bell cow back, they wouldn't of signed him and used Jacquizz as a every-down back.

I don't think they go the Popovich approach here with Gonzo or Sjax....

Not following your line of thinking here....Quizz is not an every down back....but who said he was? What he IS, is one of the best 3rd down backs in the league. Why would they not use him in this role? They have a 30 year old bell cow, why would they put unnecessary tread on the tires when they have a specialist that can be just as, if not more dangerous in that role? Relevent in fantasy terms, well I doubt a 3rd down back will be very relevant, except in ppr leagues as a flex emergency start...but over all, not really, but relevent to the Falcons, yeah, he's a great weapon in his role.

As I said, we shall see, there was only two 3rd down back situations with the starters last night, and I am unsure about the one, but know Quizz came in on the other. Not a lock that is what you will see in the regular season, but could be as well.

The ONLY impact this will have IMO is that SJax will not get the receptions you are used to seeing from him. He will more than make up for it in other ways, but hell, we've already covered that....

Guess there is only one thing left to do....wait for the regular season and see what happens on 3rd down passing situations in Atlanta.....

 

[Miller]

Exactly. Dirk Koetter's offense is based around the screen pass to set up the vertical passing game.

They use screens very effectively. But they use a lot of WR screens as well. They hit Harry Douglas on a big play last night with a screen. He might pick up a lot of passes through screens, but all comes down to there is still just one football....I think 30ish receptions is still a decent expectation.

 

[Axe Elf]

Less than 2 per game?

Hogwash.

 

[ExperiencedRookie]

Yeah, axually it kind of DID make a difference. Tomlinson had 884 combined yards in 14 games of 2009 with the Chargers, but when he came to the Jets, he started out 2010 on fire. He had 597 combined yards and 5 TDs in the first six weeks alone. But the Jets knew that Shonn Greene was their back of the future, and they started getting him more involved, and Tomlinson's involvement--and production--went down. Greene averaged only 9.6 rushing attempts per game in the first half of the season, but 13.5 over the second half of the season. So it wasn't just Tomlinson's age, it was how they used him.

Jackson has no such competition.

Once again, Legolas twists the numbers to support his arguments. Let's fill in all the gaps you left about the LT year in question.

Your stance is that his numbers took a dip because the NYJ decided to get Greene more involved. Sure, I can buy that. Greenes avg carry per game number did go up. But we're talking about LT here, and you failed to really break out his stats.

In the first 6 games, when LTs old ass was still fresh, he averaged 18 touches a game between carries and receptions. He avg 5.4 yards per touch and had 99 total yards per game. Great start!

In the last 10 weeks of the year he averaged 16 touches per game, 68 yards per game, and 4.28 yards per touch.

So what happened? Are you seriously going to contend that LT dropped over a full yard per touch and 30 yards a game with only 2 less touches per game cause Greene was more involved?

That's a joke. He still had plenty of opportunities to get it done. 16 touches a game is a full work load for many RBs. Fact of the matter is, he lost his edge. The old legs wear down. He becomes less effective. This is something REAL that happens. He didn't lose his motivation. He didnt lose the lead job or enough touches per game to make a 30 yard per game difference. He hit the wall. Fact! If NYJ did give Greene more work, it's because LT was running out of gas, not because Greene is the future.

To ignore the probability of this happening to Sjax is wild and reckless in my opinion. If he hits the wall the same way LT did in midseason, and starts to lose steam, you bet your ass that you'll see more of Rodgers. Atlanta is not dumb either. They're thinking post season.

 

[Axe Elf]

In the last 10 weeks of the year he averaged 16 touches per game, 68 yards per game, and 4.28 yards per touch.

So what happened? Are you seriously going to contend that LT dropped over a full yard per touch and 30 yards a game with only 2 less touches per game cause Greene was more involved?

Losing some of his ypc average probly had a little to do with starting left tackle Damien Woody being on the injury report for much of the second half of the season, too. Losing 30 yards per game, yes, that is partially a result of more carries for Greene, and partially a result of gaining fewer yards per carry.

 

[ExperiencedRookie]

Losing some of his ypc average probly had a little to do with starting left tackle Damien Woody being on the injury report for much of the second half of the season, too. Losing 30 yards per game, yes, that is partially a result of more carries for Greene, and partially a result of gaining fewer yards per carry.

I wish there were better stats for offensive lineman on NFL.com. All it shows is that Woody missed weeks 15-17, then the 1st 2 post season games. Shows that he played everything else though.

 

[Axe Elf]

He played in some of those games, but he was on the injury report for most of the second half.

Doesn't really matter though, I'm sure we can find example of guys who did well after 30 and guys who hit their "wall" at 25--the important thing is that Steven Jackson will be a top 10 RB, likely somewhere in the #6-#8 range.

 

[ExperiencedRookie]

Maybe so, but I still contend that he a higher probability of any of the other top RBs this year to completely fall off or at least disappoint. I acknowledge the high ceiling if this isn't the year when he falls off though. Risk/reward

 

[Beermutts]

Bryce Brown is looking good

 

[ExperiencedRookie]

Gabbert looked awful with the 1st teamers. Terrible line.

 

[efactor]

Who do you think it comes at the expense of? Do you see Tony G taking a step back as Jackson becomes more of a force in early down passing?

His numbers will be impacted the most. Another year older and a RB who can catch the ball.

 

[efactor]

So it is clear, here is what I feel is a realistic line for Jackson if he plays all 16 games:
300 carries, 1350 ru yds, 12 TD's, 30 rec, 250 yds, 2 rec TD's.

This is really nothing more than those in the SJax camp are predicting other than Phic who thinks he is going to catch 90 balls.....

I just simply stated Quizz will be their primary 3rd down back. You can still be a stud and give up 3rd down.

Jackson will not be 2012 Michael Turner....but 2011 Turner, same ball park. For refernce:
2011: Turner: 301 carries, 1340 ru yds, 11 TD's, 17 rec, 168 rec yds, 0 rec TD's.

Except for the 50 catches and a few more TDs........

 

[Axe Elf]

Maybe so, but I still contend that he a higher probability of any of the other top RBs this year to completely fall off or at least disappoint. I acknowledge the high ceiling if this isn't the year when he falls off though. Risk/reward

Depends on who you consider a "top RB". If you are thinking McCoy and Spiller, they will both be WAY bigger disappointments than Jackson. I'd even throw MJD, Forte, Ridley, CJ2tds and possibly Arian Foster into that basket.

 

[ExperiencedRookie]

Depends on who you consider a "top RB". If you are thinking McCoy and Spiller, they will both be WAY bigger disappointments than Jackson. I'd even throw MJD, Forte, Ridley, CJ2tds and possibly Arian Foster into that basket.

With all the Sjax love being tossed around, it's becoming hard for him NOT to disappoint.

 

[Miller]

Except for the 50 catches and a few more TDs........[/quote

Except for the 50 catches and a few more TDs........

so you are expecting 1800 combined and 16+ TD's....you surely have him ranked in your top 3 with those expectations then......

 

[Axe Elf]

The leading rusher for the Chiefs in their preseason opener was--wait for it--Chase Daniel, with one 14-yard scramble.

Charles was involved in 8 of the 14 plays on the Chiefs' opening scoring drive. He accounted for 40 yards of the 80 yard drive and caught 3 balls on 3 targets--and scored the dunk TD--all in 6:23 of the first quarter. If he keeps up this pace all season, Charles will have 451 catches, 6016 combined yards, and 150 TDs.

Mark Ingram posted a solid 4.0 yards per carry on 3 carries. Sproles had 2 rushes for 3 yards and no catches.

Ryan Tannehill threw more than twice as many TDs to his old TE (Fasano) last season than he did to any other receiver. His first TD of the preseason went to his new TE (Keller). Keller caught two passes overall for 22 and 24 yards.

Blaine Gabbert, listed as the Jaguars’ starting QB, went 5 of 10 for 19 yards and an INT, for a QB rating of 16.7. Chad Henne was 8 of 11 for 87 yards, for a QB rating of 95.6. What are they seeing in practice that makes Gabbert the starter? At least Gabbert can go to Mike Kafka without losing a beat; Kafka went 4 of 8 for 19 yards and an INT, for an identical QB rating of 16.7.

The Dolphins’ RB isn’t yet set in stone. Daniel Thomas averaged 4.8 ypc on 4 carries for 19 yards; Lamar Miller averaged 3.0 ypc on 2 carries for 6 yards. Miller was also targeted as a receiver three times, making the catch only once for 6 more yards.

The first drive of the Jets’ preseason ended with a pick 6 thrown by Sanchez.

Calvin Johnson is worth the first rounder. Reggie Bush may not be worth the second-rounder. Jeremy Kerley will be a top 25 WR and is a steal in the 13th round.

Kickalicious had 99 yards of FGs on 2 kicks. Akers had 82 yards of FGs on 2 kicks--and 2 XPs. Whoever wins this battle is going to be a kicker you don’t stream.

New England, the passing team, threw for 194 yards on 38 attempts--an average of 4.7 yards per pass play--while rushing for 248 yards on 31 attempts--an average of 8.0 yards per carry. Philadelphia, the rushing team, ran for 131 yards on 35 attempts--an average of 3.7 yards per carry--while passing for 321 yards on 48 attempts--an average of 6.3 yards per pass.

Carson Palmer had a 149.3 QB rating after amassing 77 yards and a TD on 4 completions in 6 attempts. His two primary backups, Stanton and Lindley, also had QB ratings in excess of 100.

Christian Ponder had two pass attempts. He completed one to teammate Jerome Simpson for 15 yards, and the other he completed to Shiloh Keo of the Texans for a 10 yard INT return. It might be a long year for Vikings’ receivers.

On the plus side, Cordarrelle Patterson caught 4 balls from Matt Cassel on 4 targets for 54 yards. DeAndre Hopkins returned serve with 4 catches on 4 targets for 52 yards and a TD.

15 different Bears caught passes.

Matt Forte rushed 1 time for -1 yard, but caught 1 pass for 5 yards, upping his average to 2 yards per touch.

DeAngelo Williams rushed 5 times for 10 yards, and that included a single 6 yard run. On the other four carries he averaged--well, you do the math. Kenjon “Burner” Barner rushed 9 times for 37 yards and a TD--but also lost a fumble.

Cam Newton did not have a single rushing yard. His passing wasn’t much better, as he went 3 for 6 for 16 yards, with a TD and an INT, for a 56.3 QB rating.

Tony Romo went 6 for 8 for 88 yards and a 110.4 QB rating. (Remember those first two digits.) Dez Bryant got 55 of those yards on 3 catches from 3 targets; DeMarco Murray got an 11-yard catch from 2 targets, and just to keep up the multiples of 11, Miles Austin got the other 22 yards on 2 11-yard catches from 2 targets. (Just in case you were wondering, Cole Beasley wears #11 for the Cowboys.) Could Dallas win 11 games this season?

 

[efactor]

so you are expecting 1800 combined and 16+ TD's....you surely have him ranked in your top 3 with those expectations then......

Pretty close.

 

[gizzil]

Bostic with a TD!! It was good to see!!

 

[mudloggerone]

Nice work Axe. Thanks for the effort.

 

[Axe Elf]

First four rushes for David Wilson:
D. Wilson rushed to the left for no gain
D. Wilson rushed to the left for 1 yard gain
D. Wilson rushed up the middle for 1 yard gain
D. Wilson rushed to the right for 5 yard gain

First four rushes for Andre Brown:
A. Brown rushed to the left for 6 yard gain
A. Brown rushed to the left for 2 yard gain
A. Brown rushed up the middle for 7 yard gain
A. Brown rushed to the left for 8 yard gain

First catch for David Wilson:
D. Carr passed to D. Wilson to the left for 1 yard gain

First catch for Andre Brown:
D. Carr passed to A. Brown down the middle for 7 yard gain

Who do YOU want?