Shit.....this is a HUGE shift in momentum for the owners and really puts the players in a bad spot.
NFL owners granted permanent stay
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Shit.....this is a HUGE shift in momentum for the owners and really puts the players in a bad spot.
Well...i just jumped on the not staring on time bandwagon..anyone else care to join me?
Remote Controller
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The only reason I attend a game now is to turn somebody else on to the experience for the first time. I will not attend a game this year, and that's a certainty. I know it's not much, but I bet I'm not the only one to feel that way. i predict millions! The owners just really focked up!
storminn0rm
Brewmaster
I don't see how they can not play those games they scheduled for 9/11. The games in New York and Washington are supposed to be anniversary games of 9/11. The NFL would take so much heat if they didn't play those games.
Remote Controller
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These are real stupid and selfish individuals. They will find a way!
Okay, why are the owners to blame only?
Last I heard, it requires both sides to negotiate freely to make a deal. To this point that is not happened on the players side. Yes, the old CBA doesn't work now, as players were getting majority of the money. Does that mean owners need it all, no, but they need more. Why? Costs have skyrocketed. Like it or not, they are businessmen and need to make a profit. Both sides have made huge mistakes, and a middle ground could have been hit, had either really wanted to.
If this continues to trial, and anti-trust legislation is put in, the draft and alot of FA rules will be gone, and this league will deteriorate like Baseball has very, very quickly.
If this decision, and the June decision forces players to get up and really negotiate, then I am for this decision.
Last I heard, it requires both sides to negotiate freely to make a deal. To this point that is not happened on the players side. Yes, the old CBA doesn't work now, as players were getting majority of the money. Does that mean owners need it all, no, but they need more. Why? Costs have skyrocketed. Like it or not, they are businessmen and need to make a profit. Both sides have made huge mistakes, and a middle ground could have been hit, had either really wanted to.
If this continues to trial, and anti-trust legislation is put in, the draft and alot of FA rules will be gone, and this league will deteriorate like Baseball has very, very quickly.
If this decision, and the June decision forces players to get up and really negotiate, then I am for this decision.
eaglechick
I'm back :)
if the deal was so bad for the owners, phic, then why did they sign the cba in the first place?
sorry, i just can't take their side in this. nflpa has done a poor job presenting their case to the media this spring, but i still think the owners are simply a bunch of greedy bastards. they've been planning the lockout all along and don't give a damn about the fans who fill their bank accounts
sorry, i just can't take their side in this. nflpa has done a poor job presenting their case to the media this spring, but i still think the owners are simply a bunch of greedy bastards. they've been planning the lockout all along and don't give a damn about the fans who fill their bank accounts
Remote Controller
Well-Known Member
Nicely said and I agree completely!
Remote Controller
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The good thing is, pretty soon a few owners that get it and the ones who can't afford this debacle are gonna rise up and be the second party against the Owners who are causing this mess.
I don't know. I do know two owners were very against it, both were ridiculed, and now one is a major player in current negotiations(Brown from Cincinnati).
I will say please think back to what the economy was before and during the existing CBA vs. what it is now with CBA gone. Cities were vying to pay to get teams in, they were upkeeping stadiums and not sharing revenue but allowing teams to keep revenue. Now the enviornment is totally changed and you are looking at potentially 4-5 teams in dire need to build stadiums or move to new cities, and they can't get those cities to foot the bill, the league will have to eat at least half the cost. Its a totally different condition now, even with healthcare and other issues now on the rise.
I am not calling the owners angels, but I sure as hell am not calling the players innocent.
efactor
Coming at you
No they're not. They know they have the players by the balls and now they will squeeze. NLFPA will fold like a tent in a hurricane.
It's friggin business. The CBA that was signed previously was too generous to the players, so the owners want a new one. Simple economics.
As far as being greedy bastards and unconcerned about the fans. Welcome to business 101. Every successful corporation is concerned about the bottom line and the NFL is no different. See small changes in the mortgage business all the time that take a little away from each employee but add up to hundreds of millions of dollars to a large company. Then you see CEO payouts and the money wasted on having 4 senior VPs when having one would be enough and realize where that money is coming from. But hey, you either accept it or go do something else. Since the players can't do anything else (most of them anyway), they will accept it and be happy eventually.
That said. The players don't give a fock about the fans who fill their bank accounts either, so I am surprised anyone would take that road in criticizing the owners. Face it, neither side is remotely considering the fans in this fight.
As far as retaliating as a fan. Not attending games in person or buying Merchandise would be a start. Easy for me to say though since I never go to a Niner game anymore because Candlestick Park is in a ghetto and it's hell getting in and out. My only contribution to the NFL coffers is the Sunday Ticket and playing FF (whatever share they get from Sportsline etc). Never felt the need to wear a team jersey.
Anyway.........
Its just Millionaires Vs Billionaires.
efactor
Coming at you
Not sure how many owners are billionaires, but neither side shoud be hurting.
I'm all for players getting what they can, but at some point, you are, so recognize that and be happy. Don't expect me to feel sorry for you because you have a short career span and have to "make it while you can".
Anyone who thinks either side is concerned about the fans is plain foolish. Look as far as ticket prices and concesssion prices for confirmation on that.
"Give me a dog and a beer"
"That will be $23 bucks"
"But I only have $20.00 left after I paid $30.00 to park"
"Sorry. Do you want the dog OR the beer"?
Remote Controller
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I keep hearing that the biggest problem for the NFL is gonna be a group of owners, and I kind of believe that. I have no knowledge of how or why but the group of owners is kind of two groups. The haves, and the have nots.
Mike
Administrator
Owners signed the CBA because they were under pressure to get a deal done. They didn't really like it, but they did it to keep the game going. This time, they are going to be more stubborn and hold out for what they want rather than settle for what they weren't happy with in the last CBA.
Both sides are filled with greed and too much money is in this league. Losing a season might just bring these people back down to earth a little.
Think about it. Someone that is great at catching a football makes boatloads more money than someone who routinely performs heart surgery. Who is really worth more?
Both sides are filled with greed and too much money is in this league. Losing a season might just bring these people back down to earth a little.
Think about it. Someone that is great at catching a football makes boatloads more money than someone who routinely performs heart surgery. Who is really worth more?
Remote Controller
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ME>>>>>THE GUY WHO JUST WANTS TO WATCH A DAMN GAME!!!! lol!
Mike
Administrator
LOL.
As football fans, most of us have been happy as long as we can watch the game. We basically ignore the enormous TV contracts, and accept the price of tickets and merchandise. Many even go to the extreme of laughing at those who complain about it.
Everything lives inside a bubble, that is how I look at it. Let it get bigger than it's capacity, and it pops. Don't believe me, as many of the out of work union members in this Nation.
Hmm...over 1900 millionaires vs. 32 billionaires. I don't think the players are innocent
Here, here! :yeahthat:
I have said it before, but there will be no loss in season. Players HAVE to play to make money. So if the appeal goes against them, I see this being solved by the 4th of July.
Remote Controller
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No, but they are the children in this equation and they have lousy parents! :rant2: lol!