How Many Miles Does LT Have Left

ExperiencedRookie

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As some of you may have noticed, I've already been preaching my anti-LT propaganda in the YPC thread.

It is no secret that I am very down on LT this year for various reasons.

AGE
LT will be 30 entering this year. Very few RBs have ever produced top 10 fantasy stats at age 30.

The most recent elite RB to hit 30 was Edge. He turned 30 last year. His stats dropped to an embaressing low.

Another somewhat recent great RB to hit 30 was Marshall Faulk. His rushing totals were in the 800's and never returned. His receiving yards even cut in HALF at age 30 and never boosted. It was an insane drop off.

Jerome Bettis also comes to mind. He hit 30 in 2002 and had one the worst years of his career. Even though he remained a goal line TD vulture, he never reached 1000 yards again.

There are only a few modern era RBs that I can find who had gas in the tank at 30. Curtis Martin, Corey Dillon, Emmitt Smith and Barry Sanders.

Curtis Martin was able to have 2 productive seasons after 30. He gained 1900 yards at age 31!!

Corey Dillon gained 1700 yards while turning 30. This was following a year where he only touched the ball 150 times though, so he was pretty fresh for the 360 touches he received at age 30. He fell to pieces after this season.

Emmitt Smith was able to produce 1000+ on the ground until he was 32. He was also the most durable RB ever recording the most touches in NFL history.

Barry Sanders was 30 in his final season in the NFL, and still produced at a high level. He retired before his stacks could go to junk.

The age factor certainly stacks up against any RB. There is no denying that LT is one of the greatest ever, but can he join the "30 and loving it" group?

CARRIES
Just as important as age is carries. Heck, it could even be more important. It is the guage of punishment a RB has taken. At this point in LT's career he has 3167 touches. That is ALOT! To put that in perspective, LT has more touches right now than OJ Simpson, Earl Campbell, and Jim Brown had in their entire careers. Barry Sanders only had 3414 and he is arguably the greatest of all time. LT is probably the fastest RB to 3100 touches ever! He has taken an incredible amount of punishment in his 8 years.

Also, it was in this range of touches that Marshall Faulk completely fell off. This is interesting because of all the great NFL RBs, Faulk is probably the most similar to LT in respect to how much they catch the ball.

The list of RBs who have had 3100+ carries and still experienced top 10 fantasy type stats is very very short.

YPC
LT's YPC has been plummeting the past 2 years. He's getting older and the abuse is piling up. He also tries to play hurt all the time, which only brings it down more.

Marshall Faulk experienced this same drop in the same part of his career. He was also 28 when his YPC took a 2 year nosedive, and took his stats with it. At age 30, he was never the same.

So can LT turn it around. Can he handle another season of 350+ touches? Will 30 effect him, or can he join the small group of elite who have posted big fantasy numbers regardless of age?
 

Mike

Administrator
I think we are looking at a bounce back year, led by a serious work ethic.

When converting miles to yards, I think we are looking at an 1800-1900 yard season for LT this year. Also would expect to see 15+ touchdowns. (If he hit 2000+ total yards, and 20+ touchdowns, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised)

The man was fighting a toe injury last year, which was clearly limiting his production. IN addition to that, something mentioned many times here in the past is Tomlinson's ability to glance off of hits and basically take less punishment than most running backs take. This is the same trait that made Emmitt Smith productive for so long.
 

Mike

Administrator
Smith benefited more from that Dallas OL than his glancing ability.

Some have that opinion, don't really care at this point. Bottom line is he was genius as making what looked like "huge hits" turn into a "brush of the shoulder", well beyond the protection of the offensive line. And there was the 0-2 start to a Super Bowl year when Emmitt had a contract holdout.

Troy Aikman was only good because of Emmitt and Michael
Michael was only good because of Emmitt and Troy
Emmitt was only good because of the offensive line, Troy, and Michael.
The offense was only good because the defense was so dominating.
The defense was overrated because the offense controlled the clock.

I have heard all of them, repeatedly, but they are for an argument about a different era of football, not an LT discussion.
 

ExperiencedRookie

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I have heard all of them, repeatedly, but they are for an argument about a different era of football, not an LT discussion.

Thank you Mike. I would like to see this thread stay on course as it's quite important, at least to me.

LT's ADP is currently 1.08. Using your 1st pick on a guy in his situation is very critical to fantasy success.
 

Mike

Administrator
LT's ADP is currently 1.08.

My opinion could change as time goes on, but if drafting right now, and if LT dropped into the middle of the first round, I might consider trading up if the cost wasn't too high.

If I am drafting at a spot higher than 1.08, he doesn't make it to that draft spot. Not saying I am going to take him with the top pick, but I would gladly trade down with hopes of getting him in the middle of the draft.
 

Miller

Who Dey
Administrator
I think LT has one more dominant season left. He's the best RB of his generation IMO and trying to compare him to others is difficult due to this, he's simply BETTER.

At this point in his career LT is looking for one more signature year to cement his place in history and prove everyone that feels he is done wrong. I think your looking at a top 5 fantasy RB year and maybe higher. Last year, a year which many were disappointed he was still #6!!!

I am starting to love the thought of him in the middle of rd 1.
 

ExperiencedRookie

Well-Known Member
Interesting. What I'm reading here from Mike and Miller is that both of you guys are not going to buy any of the hype I'm selling.

Little or no fear of further injury or the 30 year old wall?


I seem to remember a discussion close to this one about Edge last year. A lot of people said he was still going to be strong. Said he would avoid the 30 year old crap. Then BOOM!!

His breakdown wasn't quite as devastating though because he could be had in the 4th Rd. You have to spend a 1st rounder on LT.

The risk is too much for me.
 

Miller

Who Dey
Administrator
And as far as RB's turning 30 and still having gas, you really don't have to look that far. Thomas Jones turned 30 last season and had a career year.

Tiki turned 30 in 2005 and responded with a career year and backed it up in 2006 at 31 with the 2nd best year of his career. So the best two years of his career after 30.

Curtis Martin & Corey Dillon as mentioned had great years after 30.

The 30 year mark is not as hard and fast of a rule as many make it out to be. Those are all examples in the last 5 years.
 

Miller

Who Dey
Administrator
Interesting. What I'm reading here from Mike and Miller is that both of you guys are not going to buy any of the hype I'm selling.

Little or no fear of further injury or the 30 year old wall?


I seem to remember a discussion close to this one about Edge last year. A lot of people said he was still going to be strong. Said he would avoid the 30 year old crap. Then BOOM!!

His breakdown wasn't quite as devastating though because he could be had in the 4th Rd. You have to spend a 1st rounder on LT.

The risk is too much for me.
And for every Edge example I can give you a Thomas Jones who excelled after 30.....
 

Mike

Administrator
Age 30 is a good gauge to go by, but nowhere near "set in stone".

In a dynasty league, I am dumping any running back that is hitting that age if I can get any good value and moving on. In a redraft league, I take it on a case by case basis.

LT has a lot of miles, but outside of the toe injury, little damage during those miles. We have actually talked about this on this forum in the past, discussing how Tomlinson had a knack for avoiding the big hit (that goes a long way toward producing after age 30).
 
I'm a LT buyer this year. Like Miller said, probably a top 3 back in the middle to late portion of first rd.of redrafts-Championship!
 

Miller

Who Dey
Administrator
Thomas Jones has less than 2000 career carries.......much less damage than LT
so now it's a carry thing and not an age thing??? Thought 30 was the argument?? So how many carries is the magical mark?? Martin and Dillon were bellcow their whole career and had a ton of miles at 30.....they did just fine....
 

Mike

Administrator
Look at the names being thrown out here though, basically all-pros and hall of famers. The 30 mark does carry lots of weight when you look at the overall picture.

Also, I don't look at it as the "end of the rope", but this is where the caution flag has to come out with running backs. Too often, they take a big nose dive at this point.
 

Mike

Administrator
and here I am, helping take the conversation off topic once again. Let's all keep this geared toward tomlinson.
 

ExperiencedRookie

Well-Known Member
Excellent discussion here gentlemen.

It's obvious that a case can be made for both sides.

The answer seems to be : proceed with caution and don't spend too high of a pick on LT.

My problem with that is a 1st Rd pick is a 1st Rd pick. If you take LT, you likely won't be picking another RB until the 3rd Rd. You could go with the traditional RB/RB, but that phase of fantasy football seems to be becoming less popular.
 

Mike

Administrator
My problem with that is a 1st Rd pick is a 1st Rd pick. If you take LT, you likely won't be picking another RB until the 3rd Rd. You could go with the traditional RB/RB, but that phase of fantasy football seems to be becoming less popular.

You likely know this, but don't get hung up in the positions in your early picks. RB/RB, RB/WR, WR/WR, WR/RB, RB/QB, QB/WR, QB/RB, etc....

None of that matters.

If you feel like LT is going to produce the numbers, don't be afraid to pick him. You may or may not take another RB in the 2nd round, you might even pass on your 2nd running back to the 4th or 5th round, it depends on the flow of the draft.

Concentrate on the best player available.
 

ExperiencedRookie

Well-Known Member
If you feel like LT is going to produce the numbers, don't be afraid to pick him. You may or may not take another RB in the 2nd round, you might even pass on your 2nd running back to the 4th or 5th round, it depends on the flow of the draft.

Concentrate on the best player available.

Indeed. If you feel good about LT then draft him and don't worry about backing him up quickly.

If you're someone like me, you'll avoid him and take the ACTUAL best player available.:nannie:

I'm fishing for another member who has lost faith in LT here. I don't want to be the only donkey who doubts a HOFer
 
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