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That's probly about right, and if you prorate the games that Cobb played without Jennings, he was on pace for 1150/12. So give or take a TD one way or the other, they're pretty even.
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Jerome Bettis wasn't much of a burner either.
wical34
My reality check bounced.
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Just pointing out that most of the heralded RBs in Pittsburgh Steelers' history have been the smashmouth bruiser types, not the fancy pants darters.
Frank Pollard, Bill Dudley, John Henry Johnson, Dick Hoak, Merril Hoge, Rocky Bleier, Barry Foster, Jerome Bettis, Franco Harris... Willie Parker is about the only one of the lot who would be described as "fast".
I think they'll be adding Le'Veon Bell to that list in about five years.
Frank Pollard, Bill Dudley, John Henry Johnson, Dick Hoak, Merril Hoge, Rocky Bleier, Barry Foster, Jerome Bettis, Franco Harris... Willie Parker is about the only one of the lot who would be described as "fast".
I think they'll be adding Le'Veon Bell to that list in about five years.
ExperiencedRookie
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You are the king of manipulating numbers to support you. What's the point of talking about Jennings? Yes, he's no longer in GB, but was he really an impact at all last year? He had 366 yds and 4 TDS. If Cobb had gotten ALL of that tacked on to his totals for the year, he still wouldn't be pushing the top 3 or 4 seasons that Fitz has had.
You probably don't want to talk about Jordy Nrlson and how his absence while injured last year helped Cobb tho do you? Jordy missed a total of 4 games and left 2 additional games with an injury before recording a catch. In those 6 games, Cobb caught half of his TDs and had nearly half of his receptions.
Now if I was going to play the same little game you like to play, I'd point out that Cobb seems to have come up with a lot of his stats for the year while Jordy was on the sideline. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Jordy is healthy coming into 2013. If you're going to project Cobbs stats when Jordy is on the field for an entire season they look like this: 75 rec. 972 yds. 6 TDs. Seems pretty damn pedestrian to me.
Now for the sake of having to listen to your retort, I'll go ahead and give him half if Jennings stats from last year. That puts him at 93 rec. 1155 yds, 8 TDs. A pretty good season, and that's me being generous with the stats. Fitz will top this with his eyes closed.
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Thanks!
So we're pretty close on the receptions and the yards (although I might even go a little less on the receptions); we just have a difference of approximately four on the TDs. To each his own.
I will bet you ten thousand dollars, however, that Fitz does not top that with his eyes closed.
ExperiencedRookie
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Not really. Those projections I posted were me trying to take your formula and put together his ceiling. I don't see him touching those numbers. We're probably a lot further off than you think. I bet Cobb has a season very similar to his 2012
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Well, no one can laugh at you for picking one or the other of the players I paired up--that was kind of the point. So you feel strongly about your choice of Fitzgerald; others may legitimately differ.
ExperiencedRookie
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The only difference is...I'm right. :wink:
THAT would be a first...................... :tongue:
As I stated, Cobb took advantage of a huge hole in GB, Jennings went down, and Jordy had issues most of the season, it is also why Jones exploded as well.
Key concerns for me on Cobb are - healthy Jordy Nelson and J.Jones, and two rookie Rbs that very well could give GB a real running game. Finley is no concern, as he has not been a focus for a long time, and with good reason.
While I agree Fitz has less competition, he does have a REAL Qb now. Something he has not had since Warner. IF Mendenhall can produce and show Arizona is more than just passing, then I see Fitz back to what he was. Key here is age. Fitz is NOT a spring chicken.
Net, they will be close, but I do see Fitz doing better.
Key concerns for me on Cobb are - healthy Jordy Nelson and J.Jones, and two rookie Rbs that very well could give GB a real running game. Finley is no concern, as he has not been a focus for a long time, and with good reason.
While I agree Fitz has less competition, he does have a REAL Qb now. Something he has not had since Warner. IF Mendenhall can produce and show Arizona is more than just passing, then I see Fitz back to what he was. Key here is age. Fitz is NOT a spring chicken.
Net, they will be close, but I do see Fitz doing better.
ExperiencedRookie
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I wouldn't worry about that too much. Yes, hes turning 30 this year, but that's no big deal. He's 2 years younger than Andre Johnson, Wes Welker, Steve Smith and Roddy White. He's the same age as Marques Colston, and is only 6 months older than Brandon Marshall and Vincent Jackson. I don't think anyone makes arguments against most of these players in redraft leagues based on age.
Escrow
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1) QB1: Robert Griffin III
2) QB2: Joe Flacco
3) QB3: Alex Smith
4) RB1: Jamaal Charles
5) RB2: Reggie Bush
6) RB3: Lamar Miller
7) RB4: Mark Ingram
8) WR1: Julio Jones
9) WR2: Randall Cobb
10) WR3: Torrey Smith
11) WR4: Denarius Moore
12) WR5: Brandon LaFell
13) TE1: Vernon Davis
14) TE2: Dustin Keller
15) Flex: Danny Woodhead
2) QB2: Joe Flacco
3) QB3: Alex Smith
4) RB1: Jamaal Charles
5) RB2: Reggie Bush
6) RB3: Lamar Miller
7) RB4: Mark Ingram
8) WR1: Julio Jones
9) WR2: Randall Cobb
10) WR3: Torrey Smith
11) WR4: Denarius Moore
12) WR5: Brandon LaFell
13) TE1: Vernon Davis
14) TE2: Dustin Keller
15) Flex: Danny Woodhead
wical34
My reality check bounced.
1) RG3 - I understand most skepticism on him and his injury. Keep in mind he also is a proficient passer, and finally has Garcon back. I'm looking for this offense to take the next step.
2) Rivers - Flacco lost his blankie, Boldin to the 49ers. I think he takes a step backwards this year unless someone steps up. Mainly Dennis Pitta*
3) Alex Smith - The guy has only had 10 interceptions in his last 664 attempts. He's also completed a 70% of his passing attempts last year. Dwayne Bowe may have a new best friend.
4) Martin - This one is tough. I personally wouldn't be upset with either one of these RB's on my team. Only give Martin the slight edge since he found the end zone 12 times last year.
5) Reggie Bush - I like the upside in this Detroit offense. MJD will get a massive workload if he's healthy this year, but Bush will continue to resurrect his career.
6) Lamar Miller - If you've read any of my previous post in this thread you understand why..
7) Ingram - Only because I had to choose one. Ingram may have a decent increase in workload this year, and Sean Payton is back.
8) Julio Jones - I look for Julio to take over the reigns this year. Roddy has slowly decreased his stats every year. I like Thomas, but think Julio will take over the go to guy role in Atlanta
9) Fitz - Fitz finally has a decent QB! Although I believe this one is very close, Fitz is proven. Both are surrounded with a lot of talented WR's so it could prove to be interesting.
10) Torrey Smith - Way to much hype on Cecil Shorts for me this year. Jacksonville has no QB. If Henne takes over Cecil has a slight upgrade. Unfortunately by the time Henne takes over, Blackmon will be back.
11) Denarius Moore - New OC, hopefully getting rid of the zone blocking scheme, should help the passing game out also. Matt Flynn will finally have an opportunity to take over an offense. Low expectations for Moore, but still better than the injury riddled Brown. Brown also has Keenan Allen to compete with.
12) Brandon LaFell - Neither are on my radar, but LaFell still has potential to become a WR2 in Carolina.
13) Gonzo - 93 receptions last year. Yes Please!
14) Dustin Keller - The potential is here to become a low end starter. Wallace and Hartline will see a lot of targets, but Keller benefits from Davone Bess being traded. Look for someone to be the recipient of the short throws.
15) Woodhead - I like Denard as an athlete quite a bit, but Woodhead could be in for a big PPR year. I truly hope I'm wrong on this one.
16) Eric Decker or Stevie Johnson? - Decker - After making his 3rd year leap I like Decker this year. Proven QB in an offense with all kinds of weapons. I don't see the big hit with Welker as I think Welker will take all of the TE catches.
2) Rivers - Flacco lost his blankie, Boldin to the 49ers. I think he takes a step backwards this year unless someone steps up. Mainly Dennis Pitta*
3) Alex Smith - The guy has only had 10 interceptions in his last 664 attempts. He's also completed a 70% of his passing attempts last year. Dwayne Bowe may have a new best friend.
4) Martin - This one is tough. I personally wouldn't be upset with either one of these RB's on my team. Only give Martin the slight edge since he found the end zone 12 times last year.
5) Reggie Bush - I like the upside in this Detroit offense. MJD will get a massive workload if he's healthy this year, but Bush will continue to resurrect his career.
6) Lamar Miller - If you've read any of my previous post in this thread you understand why..
7) Ingram - Only because I had to choose one. Ingram may have a decent increase in workload this year, and Sean Payton is back.
8) Julio Jones - I look for Julio to take over the reigns this year. Roddy has slowly decreased his stats every year. I like Thomas, but think Julio will take over the go to guy role in Atlanta
9) Fitz - Fitz finally has a decent QB! Although I believe this one is very close, Fitz is proven. Both are surrounded with a lot of talented WR's so it could prove to be interesting.
10) Torrey Smith - Way to much hype on Cecil Shorts for me this year. Jacksonville has no QB. If Henne takes over Cecil has a slight upgrade. Unfortunately by the time Henne takes over, Blackmon will be back.
11) Denarius Moore - New OC, hopefully getting rid of the zone blocking scheme, should help the passing game out also. Matt Flynn will finally have an opportunity to take over an offense. Low expectations for Moore, but still better than the injury riddled Brown. Brown also has Keenan Allen to compete with.
12) Brandon LaFell - Neither are on my radar, but LaFell still has potential to become a WR2 in Carolina.
13) Gonzo - 93 receptions last year. Yes Please!
14) Dustin Keller - The potential is here to become a low end starter. Wallace and Hartline will see a lot of targets, but Keller benefits from Davone Bess being traded. Look for someone to be the recipient of the short throws.
15) Woodhead - I like Denard as an athlete quite a bit, but Woodhead could be in for a big PPR year. I truly hope I'm wrong on this one.
16) Eric Decker or Stevie Johnson? - Decker - After making his 3rd year leap I like Decker this year. Proven QB in an offense with all kinds of weapons. I don't see the big hit with Welker as I think Welker will take all of the TE catches.