Fantasy Player of the decade?
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storminn0rm
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Remote Controller
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Manning or LT and no one else in the same ballpark.
Either LT or Manning and I'll go with Peyton simply because he plays every week.
maverick824
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I've got to go with Manning here, simply for one reason.....
Has he even been below a top 10 QB since 2000??? The argument for LT is definitely meritable, and I could even see the argument for a tie or co-honors, what have you, but it remains that Peyton has been the pinnacle of consistency every year of this decade. Teams with him on it routinely make playoffs in every scoring format imaginable. LT has has a couple of years where his production hasn't been quite up to par. Yes, he's definitely had a lot of the same impact, especially through the middle of this decade, where his dominance wasn't even questioned, however, if I've got to go with a "player of the decade" type designation, my opinino is Manning has been the model of consistency.
Has he even been below a top 10 QB since 2000??? The argument for LT is definitely meritable, and I could even see the argument for a tie or co-honors, what have you, but it remains that Peyton has been the pinnacle of consistency every year of this decade. Teams with him on it routinely make playoffs in every scoring format imaginable. LT has has a couple of years where his production hasn't been quite up to par. Yes, he's definitely had a lot of the same impact, especially through the middle of this decade, where his dominance wasn't even questioned, however, if I've got to go with a "player of the decade" type designation, my opinino is Manning has been the model of consistency.
derringer007
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DearbornDolfan
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Manning. That dude is just a stone cold terminator. LT's great and all, but he's had games where his injuries or lack of production have killed teams. Manning's never done that.
I had Manning this year in the DFA and even though I didn't make the playoffs, it had more to do with my WR going bust than anything. Manning was my one consistent contributor.
I had Manning this year in the DFA and even though I didn't make the playoffs, it had more to do with my WR going bust than anything. Manning was my one consistent contributor.
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I definitely understand the preference for LT in this scenario since for much of his career starting RB's had greater value than the other positions. That is changing with so many shared backfields but his separation from the later round options was much greater than Peyton Mannings.
I do not mean this to demean Peyton's production or what value he brings to teams who draft him just pointing out the fact that those teams have had to consistently pay a high draft pick to acquire him. Drew Brees has been climbing up the charts over the decade and for the past 4 years has been putting up similar numbers but at least up to this year has gone a good round behind Manning. Granted Brees early on did not have the numbers Manning did he is still an example of the quality of depth at the QB position at later rounds.
Early on I have seen teams with Manning suffer because of the lack of depth at other positions because the well dried up faster back then at the RB position. In the day of teams having a primary ball carrier LT was the gold standard and I would still classify this past decade as in that era (although we may have actually left it now).
I do not mean this to demean Peyton's production or what value he brings to teams who draft him just pointing out the fact that those teams have had to consistently pay a high draft pick to acquire him. Drew Brees has been climbing up the charts over the decade and for the past 4 years has been putting up similar numbers but at least up to this year has gone a good round behind Manning. Granted Brees early on did not have the numbers Manning did he is still an example of the quality of depth at the QB position at later rounds.
Early on I have seen teams with Manning suffer because of the lack of depth at other positions because the well dried up faster back then at the RB position. In the day of teams having a primary ball carrier LT was the gold standard and I would still classify this past decade as in that era (although we may have actually left it now).
Just went through the decade numbers using basic scoring, 4 pts for TD. Pretty interesting look. It becomes clear at the end there is only 2 choices as RC pointed out, Manning or LT.
The interesting thing is that there were 2 players that led the league in fantasy points scored twice in the decade, and neither was Manning or LT. Marshall Faulk started the decade out with a bang leading the league in both 00 & 01. Holmes took the torch from him for the next two years leading the league in 02 & 03. Faulk's problem is he was on the back 9 of his career and after 01 did very little. Holmes had a great run from 01 - 03, but fell off after that.
The guy who has not been mentioned that likely deserves a top 5, if not a top 3 mention right behind Manning and LT is Alexander. His run was longer than some of the other top performers at RB. From 01-05', he never finished lower than 11th and led the league in 05'. He also notched a top 3 in 04; and two 8th.
Brees is another one that quietly should be considered in that next tier. His issue is he got started a little late, but since 04 has put on a good run. 04 & 05 were decent at 16th & 17, but in 06 his fun started. He notched top 10's in 06 & 07 and took home a #1 last year (something Manning never did) and finished 2nd this year, just missing that 2nd #1 for the decade.
Now for the top 2. What separates Manning and LT for the pack? CONSISTENCY! Manning was easily the most consistent of the decade. He was Mr. Reliable and could always be counted on top finish in the top 10, something he did in a remarkable 10 of 10 years this decade!! He never led the league, but did finish 2nd in his record breaking 04 season to Culpepper. Manning also had 2 other top 5 seasons in the decade.
As for LT, he wasn't quite as consistent as Manning, but for a RB, his consistency was amazing! From 02' to 07' LT never finished lower than 6th in overall scoring. He only led the league one year in 06, but what a year it was! That season LT racked up a decade high 427 fantasy points! He also racked up 4 more top 3 finishes giving him a total of 5 top 3 finishes in a 6 year span. That is more than just consistency, that is dominance like we did not see from any other this decade.
In the end, manning was money, but LT was dominant! I will take LT's 6 year reign of terror and dominance over Manning's 10 years of consistency with out the high end results than dominate leagues.
My Fantasy Player of the Decade is LaDainian Tomlinson.
The interesting thing is that there were 2 players that led the league in fantasy points scored twice in the decade, and neither was Manning or LT. Marshall Faulk started the decade out with a bang leading the league in both 00 & 01. Holmes took the torch from him for the next two years leading the league in 02 & 03. Faulk's problem is he was on the back 9 of his career and after 01 did very little. Holmes had a great run from 01 - 03, but fell off after that.
The guy who has not been mentioned that likely deserves a top 5, if not a top 3 mention right behind Manning and LT is Alexander. His run was longer than some of the other top performers at RB. From 01-05', he never finished lower than 11th and led the league in 05'. He also notched a top 3 in 04; and two 8th.
Brees is another one that quietly should be considered in that next tier. His issue is he got started a little late, but since 04 has put on a good run. 04 & 05 were decent at 16th & 17, but in 06 his fun started. He notched top 10's in 06 & 07 and took home a #1 last year (something Manning never did) and finished 2nd this year, just missing that 2nd #1 for the decade.
Now for the top 2. What separates Manning and LT for the pack? CONSISTENCY! Manning was easily the most consistent of the decade. He was Mr. Reliable and could always be counted on top finish in the top 10, something he did in a remarkable 10 of 10 years this decade!! He never led the league, but did finish 2nd in his record breaking 04 season to Culpepper. Manning also had 2 other top 5 seasons in the decade.
As for LT, he wasn't quite as consistent as Manning, but for a RB, his consistency was amazing! From 02' to 07' LT never finished lower than 6th in overall scoring. He only led the league one year in 06, but what a year it was! That season LT racked up a decade high 427 fantasy points! He also racked up 4 more top 3 finishes giving him a total of 5 top 3 finishes in a 6 year span. That is more than just consistency, that is dominance like we did not see from any other this decade.
In the end, manning was money, but LT was dominant! I will take LT's 6 year reign of terror and dominance over Manning's 10 years of consistency with out the high end results than dominate leagues.
My Fantasy Player of the Decade is LaDainian Tomlinson.
Of course there were the couple of years that you spent a high, high number one on LT and he cost you a shot at the playoffs. Manning never disapointed IMO a team owner that burned a number one on him. Isn't a decade ten years up there in Ohio?
nflfanclub
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My point exactly Org. It is a lot easier to get good to great production going with a later pick at QB than if you went the same route with RB...
Well up until the strong return of RBBC the last few years at least.
Sure he never disappointed.....if you wanted to simply be competitive he did that. 10 for 10 in top 10's......but 1 top 5 year?? Never the best player of the year?? If you had Manning every year and LT every year, the LT team would have made more money everything else being equal. LT won championships on his own some years, Manning never really has done that.
LT was Dominant, Manning was just consistently very good. Manning got you to playoffs, LT won you titles.....I'll take one year of disappointment (2008) where you spent a top 2 pick on him and he still finished as the #15 scorer in return for the 6 years where he dominated the fantasy football landscape.
Oh, and did I mention 427 pts!!! Manning's best year in comparison was 362....
I also agrue that it is more difficult of a feat for a RB to finish in the top 6 for 6 straight years than it is for a QB to crack the top 10 for 10. Simple wear and tear of the positions are completely different.
An even deeper look at the Manning vs LT numbers:
We concluded that Manning was 10 for 10 in top 10's.....but it is interesting to note that not only was Manning never the most valuable fantasy player in a given year, he was never the top player at his position in a given year! In fact, 4 of the 10 years he was not even in the top 3 at his position and twice he was just the 7th best QB!
Now look at how LT ranked vs his position over the decade. He came into the league in 02 and from 02-07, 6 straight seasons, he ranked in the top 3 in his position. Two years, 06 & 07, he was the most valuable at his position, something Manning never did.
His disappointing years, the last 2, 08 & 09, LT was 7th in RB's in 08, something Manning was among QB's twice in the decade, and 15th his past season.
So while the overall top 10's are impressive, when you look at in terms of where they finish each year relative to their own position, being the 7th best QB twice is just not that impressive, and having 40% of your top 10 seasons outside of the top 3 at your position is just being good, not dominant.
We concluded that Manning was 10 for 10 in top 10's.....but it is interesting to note that not only was Manning never the most valuable fantasy player in a given year, he was never the top player at his position in a given year! In fact, 4 of the 10 years he was not even in the top 3 at his position and twice he was just the 7th best QB!
Now look at how LT ranked vs his position over the decade. He came into the league in 02 and from 02-07, 6 straight seasons, he ranked in the top 3 in his position. Two years, 06 & 07, he was the most valuable at his position, something Manning never did.
His disappointing years, the last 2, 08 & 09, LT was 7th in RB's in 08, something Manning was among QB's twice in the decade, and 15th his past season.
So while the overall top 10's are impressive, when you look at in terms of where they finish each year relative to their own position, being the 7th best QB twice is just not that impressive, and having 40% of your top 10 seasons outside of the top 3 at your position is just being good, not dominant.
Remote Controller
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These are the only 2 mentionable for this. If you had either, the job of managing your team was much easier. Notice how it was almost impossible to draft them both as manning wouldn't make it back to you if you to took LT #1.