Ed Werder reports on SF QB

[efactor]

This "can't lose your job because of injury" is so BS.

Smith has been winning, but not because of what he is doing on the field. He wins because they have an excellent defense and running game. Sets him up for some success.

I have nothing against the guy other than he is what he is, and I don't think the team has nearly as good a chance to go all the way with him as they do with the guy playing now. Lets play this thing out with Kaepernick.

 

[Coachnorm]

:smile:

 

[Remote Controller]

:smile:

Sees pot...................................................and begins to stir.

 

[mudloggerone]

Losses under Smith 2

Losses under Kaepernick 0

Corrected to 1 and counting.

 

[efactor]

I'm as critical as anyone (probably more) and you can't blame this one on Kaepernick.

-Horrible play calling throughout the game. Who calls a friggin option play (I guess they don't practice that much) by the goal line in a close game?

-Play conservative and assume your kicker who hasn't kicked well this season will nail a 51 yarder. Don't even attempt to get closer

-Their last possession of OT. Run, Run. Third and 5. Drop back, complete. First down. Run, Run. Third and 6. Roll your QB to the left, AWAY from his natural throwing motion. Incomplete. Very smart.


Plus, don't get me started on Delanie Walker dropping a PERFECTLY thrown ball with PERFECT touch for an easy TD on the last drive in regulation. They settle for a FG and then the Rams get a FG to tie. He catches that and they probably win.

For some reason, they decided not to throw the ball down the field yesterday. They actually had success when they tried.


Horrible game plan...........

 

[mudloggerone]

Must be that they have worse coaching and catching when Alex is on the bench. Once again I'm not saying Smith is the better QB because he isn't but the 9ers screwed him over and sometimes in life what goes around comes around, just saying...

 

[jjtweeks]

I am saying that Smith is the best QB for this team(this season anyway). The decision was made and now i think he should stick with it(because he would just look silly otherwise) but it should never have been made in the first place. You can't just throw Kap in there late season and expect everything to work right off the bat. I think this move should have been made after the season because honeslty I don't think their chances are better this year with Kap than Smith. Next year, when he has ample opportunity to work with the first team offense from the get-go, yes, but he does not fit well with this years niners gameplan which is already established to work around Smith. Those mistakes that come with a young QB and that added dimension he gives was shown this weekend.

 

[Remote Controller]

He didn't make many mistakes.

 

[efactor]

He didn't make many mistakes.

Exactly. Less mistakes than Smith typically makes in a game.

 

[mudloggerone]

In 3 games he's lost 1. Nuff said for me. Wrong move at the wrong time for the wrong reasons. I'm hoping the 9ers tank.

 

[Phicinfan]

In 3 games he's lost 1. Nuff said for me. Wrong move at the wrong time for the wrong reasons. I'm hoping the 9ers tank.

Okay, he had to start the one game or probably two due to the concussion.

As for the last game, yes a young Qb will sometimes lose games, so has A.Smith.

Kaepernick is the QB next year, there was nothing showing that San Fran would be able to do any better this year in playoffs then last. When he first got in, he sparked the offense. Let him play out the string and learn, and then move to the playoffs.

There is no perfect time for a young Qb to take over.

 

[efactor]

In 3 games he's lost 1. Nuff said for me. Wrong move at the wrong time for the wrong reasons. I'm hoping the 9ers tank.

That makes zero sense. Niners weren't undefeated with Alex Sux at QB.


They were down at home against the Rams when Smith went out and Kaep brought them back and they win the game if Akers makes a 41 yarder. He played well in that game too. Better than Smith.


You're either being obtuse or just trying to play devils advocate. Either way, you're off base.


Kaepernick is the present and the future.

 

[efactor]

In 3 games he's lost 1. Nuff said for me. Wrong move at the wrong time for the wrong reasons. I'm hoping the 9ers tank.

Guess the Aints better sack Brees too. They are losing so it must be the QBs fault. No other plausible explanation.

 

[jjtweeks]

I think the point was that everybody was saying Kap gives the niners the best chance to win when he actually lost the game for the niners. I know you may not see it that way but a safety is nobody's fault but the QB's. Also a fumble that gets returned for a TD is not a good thing. He had a chance to win a game where Smith could not and he couldn't do it either . Kap is the future but he sure as heck isn't the present. This isn't the Eagles we're talking about who you just throw some players in because the season is lost. The Niners had a legitimate chance at going to the superbowl and now in my opinion, are screwed.

 

[efactor]

I think the point was that everybody was saying Kap gives the niners the best chance to win when he actually lost the game for the niners. I know you may not see it that way but a safety is nobody's fault but the QB's. Also a fumble that gets returned for a TD is not a good thing. He had a chance to win a game where Smith could not and he couldn't do it either . Kap is the future but he sure as heck isn't the present. This isn't the Eagles we're talking about who you just throw some players in because the season is lost. The Niners had a legitimate chance at going to the superbowl and now in my opinion, are screwed.

But he didn't lose the game for them. It was a team effort (missed FG, defense not making stops and conservative play calling). Anyone making this argument is assuming Alex Sux would have won that game and that just can't be assumed.

Concerning the safety, it shouldn't have been one. According to Mike Perriera (who I assume should know the rules), the playing field extends to out of bounds when viewing weather the ball got past the line of scrimmage. It's not where the ball went out of bounds. Based on that, the ball got past the line (clear on the replay) and should have not been a safety. So Kaepernick actually made the right play, but due to the lack of knowledge by the on field refs (not sure why they didn't or couldn't challenge), it was called one.

Concerning the "fumble", it was actually a bad pitch, but one that could have been handled by Ginn. While the execution of this play was poor, I question why it was called in the first place at that point in the game and that part of the field. Very risky. My guess is that Kaepernick didn't audible to that play, so it was more than likely called by the OC. That's just pure brain lock or trying to show how smart he is. Either way, if you're not gonna pass in that situation, run a conservative play and call it good. Have to put that one on the coaching staff.

To say the Niners are screwed staying with Kaepernick is either Niner hate talking or just a lack of knowledge of the situation. Come back and revisit in a couple weeks and your point of view will be less skewed.

 

[mudloggerone]

If he didn't lose the game for the 9ers he sure played a key role in the loss but if you're correct that he didn't lose it then I hardly see how you could say that Smith lost the 2 games that the 9ers were not able to win with him at QB. Simple fact is the 9ers lost 2 with Smith at QB and they've now lost 1 with Kaepernick under center. It won't be their last either. Future? Yes. Better talent, no doubt. Wrong time- absolutely.

 

[jjtweeks]

I came back this week to revisit last week and will do the same later. I admitted when I was wrong because I was one who thought Kap could pull it out when Smith could not but I also think Smith gives them the best chance this year. As for hate there is none of that here(And to refer to one of your Niners as "Alex Sux" comes closer to hate than anything I ever mentioned). I am not hoping there screwed, I am thinking they are because of the decision that was made. I figured Kap would make mistakes but i thought his "talent" level could overcome the ones he did make and that didn't happen. The defense played well and the running game went well(yes there were dropped passes and missed FG) but those are things I would expect a QB to overcome.

 

[efactor]

I came back this week to revisit last week and will do the same later. I admitted when I was wrong because I was one who thought Kap could pull it out when Smith could not but I also think Smith gives them the best chance this year. As for hate there is none of that here(And to refer to one of your Niners as "Alex Sux" comes closer to hate than anything I ever mentioned). I am not hoping there screwed, I am thinking they are because of the decision that was made. I figured Kap would make mistakes but i thought his "talent" level could overcome the ones he did make and that didn't happen. The defense played well and the running game went well(yes there were dropped passes and missed FG) but those are things I would expect a QB to overcome.

If you say the running game went well, it leads me to believe you didn't actually watch the game, because the running game (other than Kaepernick) was the suck last week. Not sure why, but the OL play was not good in either the running game or pass protection. Maybe just an off day or Fisher dialed up a really good defensive game plan.

That was actually the most frustrating part of watching the game, especially in OT. They weren't having success on the ground, yet in OT, they ran the ball except for obvious passing situations. Kaepernick didn't make mistakes in the passing game, so I was very perplexed why they didn't give him a better chance to win the game for them rather than play not to lose. It was like they forgot who the QB was and thought Smith was still playing.

To your point, the defense played great until the last drive of regulation and OT. This made the play call that led to the defensive TD all the more perplexing. Why not play it safe and punt and make the Rams score an actual TD.

Bad game. Happens. They lost big to the Vikings early in the season and tied the Rams earlier with Smith starting. Not like the Niners are a team without flaw, so I don't get people blaming Kaepernick for this loss.

 

[cctekguy]

Is there still bad blood between the Rams and 9'ers? It was a helluva rivalry when the Rams we're in L.A. and I wonder is any of that still lingering.

 

[efactor]

Definitely not like it was when they were in LA or first moved to St Louis, but the Rams are making strides under Fisher, so there is definitely some potential there.