ExperiencedRookie
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I don't like Dallas Clark either. He just looks like a total goon.
As far as fantasy value.. I don't mind him though.
As far as fantasy value.. I don't mind him though.
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Cooley Cadets
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Thanks Bomb.
Can't say I agree with all your assessments but I like the way you presented/supported your case.
With the older players (not just @ TE) I like to remain open to utilizing the vet's who have a couple years left and snagging someone like Pettigrew to stash until they come into their own. I can see both Gonzo and Clark fitting that profile.
With Clark the departure of Harrison should help him.
Carlson seems like he will thrive as the safety valve with Hass back at the helm. Like someone else mentioned I could see him turning out to be solid but not elite but at 25 that is a gamble I might be willing to take
I know I am in the minority on downgrading Olsen and if he continues to improve that would change but I still don't see him clearly distinguishing himself ahead of Clark (who doesn't really get the blood pumping). I expected more from him by now and it may just be my disappointment coloring my perceptions.
Can't say I agree with all your assessments but I like the way you presented/supported your case.
With the older players (not just @ TE) I like to remain open to utilizing the vet's who have a couple years left and snagging someone like Pettigrew to stash until they come into their own. I can see both Gonzo and Clark fitting that profile.
With Clark the departure of Harrison should help him.
Carlson seems like he will thrive as the safety valve with Hass back at the helm. Like someone else mentioned I could see him turning out to be solid but not elite but at 25 that is a gamble I might be willing to take
I know I am in the minority on downgrading Olsen and if he continues to improve that would change but I still don't see him clearly distinguishing himself ahead of Clark (who doesn't really get the blood pumping). I expected more from him by now and it may just be my disappointment coloring my perceptions.
Not sure I totally agree here.
Clark has been one of the top 5 Tes the last two years. On an offense that just lost a key Wr component.
I agree on Cooley, and also agree that at the value he is probably a better target.
But I don't see Clark falling off the bus this early. I think he is very viable for another year or two.
Cooley Cadets
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I'm getting nervous agreeing w/ P'fan this much - I better take a break and recover.
ExperiencedRookie
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Even though I'm on the Olsen bandwagon of believers, I still wouldn't put him above Clark. Clark is in a better offensive system and has established himself as a top 5 fantasy TE. He still has a nice chunk of years to perform at a high level. The talent pool of young up and coming TEs is also very deep, and you can easily get a good bargain on a youngster to back Clark up.
Cooley Cadets
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I agree with you about Dallas Clark but I was referring to his teammate Desmond Clark.
Desmond started every game for the Bears the past 4 years and although not the pass catching wunderkin Olsen is has put up the same type of numbers each year. We are now in Olsen's 3rd year and he still has not established himself as the all purpose, dependable starter. Not saying Desmond is a better fantasy option than Olsen but merely pointing out that if he can not clearly distinguish himself from the 32 year old teammate I am not jumping on his bandwagon promoting him as having a top 5 season.
Cooley Cadets
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I did not deny that. I also see a 16/7 difference in starts making me think one is the more complete player and not a pass catching side show.
Ok that was probably more harsh than intended. I merely suggest Olsen has not distinguished himself on a run first team enough for me to project him as high as other do. I have nothing against the kid just thought he would have done more/better last year.
ExperiencedRookie
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Keep in mind that he has had Orton and Sexy Rexy throwing him the ball in his brief time in the NFL.
When Rex was the QB in 07, Olsen managed 39 Rec for 391 Yds and 2 TDs. Pretty awful.
Then in 08 the team made a slight upgrade at QB with Orton. Certainly not a huge leap in talent, but an upgrade non the less. Olsen managed to get 54 Rec for 574 Yds and 5 TDs.
So in 1 year and a slight QB upgrade he gained 15 Rec, 183 Yds, and 3 TDs.
In a PPR league that is a gain of 51 fantasy points. That's a pretty monumental jump for a guy on a really bad offensive team.
What is 1 more year and a MAJOR QB upgrade going to do for him?
If 1 year and Grossmen to Orton is equal to 51 fantasy points, then 1 year and Orton to Cutler has to be worth at least the same.
Would 66 Rec, 755 Yds, and 8 TDs really shock you?
Cooley Cadets
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07 - 4 starts for O'sn
08 - 7 starts indicate more playing time increasing had more to do with the increase rather than him being able to do more because some imagined upgrade at QB
Also Clark was able to maintain his production despite Oslen taking a more active role so how did he distinguish himself as a top 5 TE? Clark is getting the same benefit so you think his numbers will increase just as dramatically?
ExperiencedRookie
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Not sure where you're getting your stats from, but Olsen played in 15 games in 08 and 12 games in 07.
Also, the QB upgrade is not exactly imagined. If Orton wasn't the better QB he wouldn't have stolen the job away. I'm not imagining it, nor was the Chicago coaching staff.
As far as Desmond Clark's numbers increasing, yes I could see them increasing, but not nearly at the rate that I see Olsen's numbers increasing. Desmond's numbers hardly moved up at all when the QB change took place, where as Olsen's jumped.
I think the coaching staff recognizes what they have in Olsen, and with the lack of talented and experienced WRs, so will Cutler.