Does Palmer have what it takes to take the Raiders to the playoffs
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xqj47alpha
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It's difficult to imagine McFadden playing the entire season, based on prior injury history. Once he gets hurt, he's pretty much done, because apparently he won't play hurt. That's his prerogative.
The Raiders play the NFC Central this year. I don't know, is the sked out yet?
For me, the answer to this question relies on Palmer, but not as to whether or not he has what it takes, rather, does he give enough of a shat. He really comes across as a product of privilege and appears highly unlikeable.
The Raiders have like the worst record in the NFL since that debacle against the Bucs.
So their full of high first round picks, much like the Niners.
They just need a good HC and now that AD has gone to the other side, maybe the NFL will soften their stance on "Davis Rules" and stop punishing the Raiders so often with laundry.
The Raiders play the NFC Central this year. I don't know, is the sked out yet?
For me, the answer to this question relies on Palmer, but not as to whether or not he has what it takes, rather, does he give enough of a shat. He really comes across as a product of privilege and appears highly unlikeable.
The Raiders have like the worst record in the NFL since that debacle against the Bucs.
So their full of high first round picks, much like the Niners.
They just need a good HC and now that AD has gone to the other side, maybe the NFL will soften their stance on "Davis Rules" and stop punishing the Raiders so often with laundry.
cctekguy
Staff member
Palmer is a gunner and with the speed or the WRs I think he can easily commandeer an aerial assault.
If they can give him protection and present a decent "up the gut" running game I think he can be stellar.
...but that doesn't appear to be the directions the Raiders are heading with McFadden still being the top dog.
If they can give him protection and present a decent "up the gut" running game I think he can be stellar.
...but that doesn't appear to be the directions the Raiders are heading with McFadden still being the top dog.
Cerberus
In Dog We Trust
KC will have a better record than Oakland will next year. take it to the bank. sd and den will fight for top spot. i might be wrong but think oakland spent money on one guy,palmer, that could have been used much wiser to make a more competitive team. sad because they were so close to round the corner and return to the glory days.
WesDawg
'Burghapologist
Palmer's still got 3-4 years of his prime left, but how good is that really? Seems to me like he had one really elite level season and he's been living off of that ever since. This team's picked high very often, but how many of those guys amounted to anything? The level of draft ineptitude of this franchise is seriously staggering. Here's their 1st rounders since 2001 (and lest we forget they spent a first rounder in 2000 on Janikowski, a KICKER): (good picks in Bold)
Derrick Gibson, Phillip Buchanon, Napolean Harris, Nnamdi Asomugha, Tyler Brayton, Robert Gallery, Fabian Washington, Michael Huff, JaMarcus Russell, Darren McFadden, Darrius Heyward-Bey, Rolondo McClain.
4/12 = 66% failure rate. And they haven't exactly tore it up by finding hidden gems in the middle rounds either, with a few exceptions. D-Mac is elite but fragile, and DHB was considered a tragically overdrafted bust until showing signs of life last year. Now that it seems their scouts are finally getting it lately, they dealt away any chance at building through the draft by bringing in Palmer in a splash move. The absolute MOST I would've offered Cincy was a 2nd and 3rd. They (Cincy) were totally not in a bargaining position of power with Carson set to walk anyway with no compensation.
It doesn't matter how much Palmer has left in the tank, or how talented he is when your front office and coaching staff can't get out of their own way. No wonder Hue Jackson went to the Bengals.
Derrick Gibson, Phillip Buchanon, Napolean Harris, Nnamdi Asomugha, Tyler Brayton, Robert Gallery, Fabian Washington, Michael Huff, JaMarcus Russell, Darren McFadden, Darrius Heyward-Bey, Rolondo McClain.
4/12 = 66% failure rate. And they haven't exactly tore it up by finding hidden gems in the middle rounds either, with a few exceptions. D-Mac is elite but fragile, and DHB was considered a tragically overdrafted bust until showing signs of life last year. Now that it seems their scouts are finally getting it lately, they dealt away any chance at building through the draft by bringing in Palmer in a splash move. The absolute MOST I would've offered Cincy was a 2nd and 3rd. They (Cincy) were totally not in a bargaining position of power with Carson set to walk anyway with no compensation.
It doesn't matter how much Palmer has left in the tank, or how talented he is when your front office and coaching staff can't get out of their own way. No wonder Hue Jackson went to the Bengals.
It's not looking like he does. He showed no heart in how he left Cincy.....how can a team now look at him in a dog fight and feel they can trust him.....how can you have full confidence in him to "lead" your team. Carson lacks the fire it takes to be an elite QB in this league. Look at the top QB's......Brady, Brees, Manning, Rodgers.....all are LEADERS and completely dedicated to their career......Carson was more than willing to just walk away.....LEADERS do not do that.
I am glad he did what he did in Cincy, it allowed that team to turn the page and move on from someone who once had all the talent but never the fire to push that talent to the next level. Cincy moves on and picks up some nice picks in the process.
Oakland will finish right around 8-8 and Carson will throw as many INT's as he does TD's. Right around 20 each.
I am glad he did what he did in Cincy, it allowed that team to turn the page and move on from someone who once had all the talent but never the fire to push that talent to the next level. Cincy moves on and picks up some nice picks in the process.
Oakland will finish right around 8-8 and Carson will throw as many INT's as he does TD's. Right around 20 each.
Remote Controller
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Remote Controller
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The way it ended there was one thing, but the way that Coach allowed the nuts to run the asylum was hard to live with forever. I feel Carson did an exemplary job under the circumstances, and I feel the organization failed him.
xqj47alpha
Banned
Darren McFadden is a stud.
Now, he's in a contract year and looking for all the glory that can appear.
The Raiders are chock full of athletic talent. It's not a QB they need so much as a head coach who can manage to bathe two are more alpha dogs in the bathtub at one time.
Now, he's in a contract year and looking for all the glory that can appear.
The Raiders are chock full of athletic talent. It's not a QB they need so much as a head coach who can manage to bathe two are more alpha dogs in the bathtub at one time.
Really, b/c as soon as he left, the team seemed to turn it around.....maybe what the team needed was a TRUE leader to keep the nuts from running the asylum.....it can't all come from coaches, at some point a leader on the field has to take control......maybe it was Carson who failed the organization....
I've always lived by the thought that if you are not part of the solution.....you are part of the problem.
xqj47alpha
Banned
I thought Palmer quit, either from being butt-hurt or whatever.
The Raiders were on their way to a decent season until Jason broke his collar bone.
Oakland with Bruce Almighty was a team to be reckoned with.
Remote Controller
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Very poor Coach.
xqj47alpha
Banned
someone should just comp you two a room in vegas so you can just get it over with
i think Palmer had a tough time not worrying about his Steeler'd knee.
like how goose took out gannon.
but that's too long ago to factor in.
i think Palmer had a tough time not worrying about his Steeler'd knee.
like how goose took out gannon.
but that's too long ago to factor in.
Remote Controller
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I guess you didn't read my first post to this thread.
The same coach who guided one of the youngest teams in the league to the playoffs this season (his 3rd trip in last 7 seasons)??? Hmmmm.....very insightful analysis as always.
xqj47alpha
Banned
not that you two are listening to me, but i think RC places values onto your coach that you won't, Miller.
a ton of people think Lewis is a crap coach because of the constant crap from his players.
these people are the same people who think lynching one coach is the answer to every problem.
Is a Head Coach, or even an Assistant Coach in the NFL, liable for his actions? And to what extent?
Is a Coach responsible for the behavior of other adults within his/her charge?
Too many for me say, yes.
Lewis is only successful because he's a bottom feeder. That's the gist of what I'm hearing.
To me, this is what you two are arguing about.
a ton of people think Lewis is a crap coach because of the constant crap from his players.
these people are the same people who think lynching one coach is the answer to every problem.
Is a Head Coach, or even an Assistant Coach in the NFL, liable for his actions? And to what extent?
Is a Coach responsible for the behavior of other adults within his/her charge?
Too many for me say, yes.
Lewis is only successful because he's a bottom feeder. That's the gist of what I'm hearing.
To me, this is what you two are arguing about.
Remote Controller
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No Miller, I've just mentioned it many times. Palmer did leave, but the amazing thing was that he stayed as long as he did. Lewis let the nuts run the astylum. Lewis has not got the best out of his teams, and this is all just my opinion. He let Ocho drag that team down.