Close Call #7: DeSean Jackson vs Anthony Gonzalez

[Cooley Cadets]

I'm so confused now.

First you say that Indy and Peyton are in decline. You talk about how Peyton could revert to his earlier days when he struggled.

Then you come back with how productive he was even when he struggled early in his career.

That is because you tend to read more into posts than is actually there.

This is a DJ v AG thread not a QB thread. Indy and Peyton are in decline which impacts the WRs but that doesn't mean there is going to be a sudden and complete breakdown of the team. A relapse of Manning to his early career numbers is still pretty productive but the drop may simply be from divisional champ to wildcard.

 

[ExperiencedRookie]

That is because you tend to read more into posts than is actually there.

This is a DJ v AG thread not a QB thread. Indy and Peyton are in decline which impacts the WRs but that doesn't mean there is going to be a sudden and complete breakdown of the team. A relapse of Manning to his early career numbers is still pretty productive but the drop may simply be from divisional champ to wildcard.

Then why in the hell did you bring up Peyton and the decline of Indy to begin with? If it isn't going to impact the production of Gonzo, but will only take them from a divisional champ to a wildcard, then it has no fantasy relevence.

 

[Miller]

First off, I'm kinda surprised by the results. I'm not the highest on Jackson and I am very high on Gonzo lt, but I am also a bit biased here......

I also see Jackson being held higher in some other rankings, and kinda felt this may go the other way. My issue with Jackson has to do with consistency, I just don't see many consistent fantasy option in Philly outside of Westbrook in recent years. The offense is a spread it out offense and McNuggett does a good job of doing this. he will have fantastic games, but will also go stretches of the season where he will disappear.

Gonzo on the other hand has Manning tossing him the rock and is part of a very stable and loaded offensive system. I don't really see where Manning is declining as has been suggested. He has never thrown for under 25 TD's in his 11 seasons. He had over 4k pa yds for the 9th time in his career last year. His numbers were right at his averages over the past 4 seasons. His numbers look stable and consistent is what I see, not in a declining state. In fact, outside of his amazing 04' season manning is about as consistent as they come. Mark him down for 3700-4300 yds and 26-31 TD's. He may have a couple years over those ranges, but for the most part it is what it is.

This means much more stability in the offense for Gonzo. I feel he will slide right into a comfortable #2 spot opposite of Wayne. Clark will take some scoing opportunities and the team overall may not score as much as they once did, but still, there is going to be 26-31 TD's for someone to catch. I think you can slide Gonzo in for 75 rec, 950-1000 yds, and 8 TD's with a little upside to obtain more. Numbers similiar to Jackson, but a little more consistent, and that would be the deciding factor for me.

Gonzo it is.

 

[ExperiencedRookie]

EC did make a nice point earlier that shouldn't be overlooked.

She mentioned the KR points. If DeSean still gets some KR duty, he will gain a small boost, especially if he's able to bust a few off to the house.

 

[Cooley Cadets]

Then why in the hell did you bring up Peyton and the decline of Indy to begin with? If it isn't going to impact the production of Gonzo, but will only take them from a divisional champ to a wildcard, then it has no fantasy relevence.

ER why so temperamental? Starting to looking like a little child throwing a temper tantrum because someone disagrees with them.

If you care to review the thread I was not the one who originally brought up Peytie Pie. I did however bring the QB's into the conversation in response to a post by RedZone. It was that post you were so eager to jump on and create the illusion of Manning struggling.

Last I checked Philly and Indy were both pretty good teams so if you are comparing aspects of that team a decline does not have to be immediate or dramatic to have fantasy relevance or relevance to that comparison.

 

[Miller]

EC did make a nice point earlier that shouldn't be overlooked.

She mentioned the KR points. If DeSean still gets some KR duty, he will gain a small boost, especially if he's able to bust a few off to the house.

This is ONLY in leagues that rewards KR points, which is not many (thought I am in a couple). In leagues that do not I have always looked at this as a negative, not a big one, but a small one as it presents more opportunity for injury without opportunity for pts for me. Any play that can not result in pts for me but can result in wear and tear on my player is a wasted play IMO.

So in the vast majority of leagues I actually think this is a negative and not a positive.

Also, on that note, with Maclin in town, who returns kicks anyways?

 

[ExperiencedRookie]

Also, on that note, with Maclin in town, who returns kicks anyways?

Could be a mix of players, which further results in less Pts for DeSean even in KR point leagues.

 

[Birdman]

this is actually "too close to call"

I picked Jackson because I'm an Eagles homer but I might as well just flip a coin

 

[Phicinfan]

Well, I too am an Eagles fan and went with Gonzo. Why?

The Eagle offense. Other than T.O. the ball gets throw to all and spread alot. While I do feel Jackson will have a solid season, I think Gonzo has a much better chance. To me this is like Wayne vs. Harrison all over again. Wayne slowly increased as Harrison decreased...and now Gonzo will increase as Wayne decreases as defenses target him.

 

[Runnik's Hambones]

I like both of these guys, quite a bit. I think I lean for AG here, first because they have the better QB, and the guy is clearly the #2 (we saw what the last #2 did there, being Wayne who is now the #1).

 

[Hammered]

I have to go with DeSean. Who else does PHI have? Maclin, Gibson, and Robinson are all rookies. Who is Jason Avant? So that leaves Hank Baskett, Kevin Curtis, and Reggie Brown. Brown had 18 catches fro 252 yards. Baskett had 33 catches for 440 yards. Jackson was the best with 62 catches fro 912 yards. He almost hsa to be seen as the #1 in PHI. Maclin is the only spoiler here.

 

[ExperiencedRookie]

I have to go with DeSean. Who else does PHI have? Maclin, Gibson, and Robinson are all rookies. Who is Jason Avant? So that leaves Hank Baskett, Kevin Curtis, and Reggie Brown. Brown had 18 catches fro 252 yards. Baskett had 33 catches for 440 yards. Jackson was the best with 62 catches fro 912 yards. He almost hsa to be seen as the #1 in PHI. Maclin is the only spoiler here.

Jackson was the #1 last year. He caught twice as many passes as any other WR and still had a mediocre year.

You might dog the other WRs for not being as talented, but it doesn't matter. This is the way this offense works. McNuggett gets everyone involved. I expect there to continue to be 5+ Philly WRs who have 30+ receptions.

Oh yeah, and Kevin Curtis is healthy again this year and Maclin is in town.

 

[eaglechick]

as has been said numerous times already (and trust me, i'm a philly homer), the only serious fantasy options in philly are westbrook and mcnabb (all right, the D and akers are all right too , and maybe a TE if you're hard up).

jackson is the number one WR, but the only year the number one has had number one numbers was when TO was there. i love d.jax in real football, and he's a star, but for fantasy purposes i'll take the number two in indy every time over the number one in philly. that's just the way it is.

p.s. i agree i don't know who will take the kicks, but i#m sure d.jax will get some and his numbers will be boosted in such leagues. like miller said, though, it sure increases his risk of injury at the same time.

 

[ExperiencedRookie]

as has been said numerous times already (and trust me, i'm a philly homer), the only serious fantasy options in philly are westbrook and mcnabb (all right, the D and akers are all right too , and maybe a TE if you're hard up).

jackson is the number one WR, but the only year the number one has had number one numbers was when TO was there. i love d.jax in real football, and he's a star, but for fantasy purposes i'll take the number two in indy every time over the number one in philly. that's just the way it is.

p.s. i agree i don't know who will take the kicks, but i#m sure d.jax will get some and his numbers will be boosted in such leagues. like miller said, though, it sure increases his risk of injury at the same time.

From the lips of a homer comes some real truth.

 

[Runnik's Hambones]

EC's words are never tainted by lies!

 

[joefan71]

Eagles lost Correll Buckhalter in FA. So what you say,he only had 26 catches. He caught 81.25% of passes thrown to him and averaged a team high 12.1 yards after the catch. Even with his injury history I think this is one mistake the Eagles have made in the off-season.

The Colts cut Harrison (60 Receptions) and Rhodes (45). Since the Colts don't spread the ball around quite as much as the Eagles, Gonzalez has a better chance to increase his receptions to 80+.

We are comparing a # 1 to #2 WR, I still pick Gonzo because he is a 3rd year receiver and his team will need him more than the Eagles will need Jackson.

 

[Sgt John]

I didnt know Buckhalter was that good with his hands.

 

[joefan71]

Hey Sarge, Buckhalter's 12.1 AYACs (average yards after the catch) is outstanding too. I use this stat to evaluate wide receivers and this was the top 3 for receivers with 69+ catches:

Wes Welker 6.8
Anquan Boldin 6.7
Calvin*Johnson 6.6

 

[Sgt John]

Thats solid information.

 

[ExperiencedRookie]

Who is this JoeFan71 guy??

He's coming with some serious stats!!

My kind of dude.

Major props.