ExperiencedRookie
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helps when you have only played 2 years
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Close Call #1: Steven Jackson vs Brian Westbrook
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WesDawg
'Burghapologist
Maybe I'm too hung up on the committee issue with Westy. I like him alot, but Jason Smith has to help Jackson's cause somewhat, right?
It just drives me nuts when I own a guy who I KNOW will be giving me zero points in at least one non-bye week.
I realize Jackson's dealt with his own injury issues, but he's still younger than you might expect.
It just drives me nuts when I own a guy who I KNOW will be giving me zero points in at least one non-bye week.
I realize Jackson's dealt with his own injury issues, but he's still younger than you might expect.
Remote Controller
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I chose Westbrook, but I did not expect this type of domination from him. Usually the SJax love goes waaaaaay over the top while westbrook just keeps producing. I don't see Westbrook splitting more carries as a bad thing, but McCoy won't come close to doing what a power back would do in that regard. Shonn Greene would have been the better compliment back. McCoy isn't that good.
Cooley Cadets
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Would you agree Philly drafted Westie's replacement rather than a thunder/lightning complimentary player?
Runnik's Hambones
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I'm still bitter about SJax about 2-3 seasons ago. He screwed me OVER!
Remote Controller
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McCoy will barely be able to resemble what Westy is let alone replace him, but yes to your pemise. Chris Johnson could be a replacement. McCoy won't be able to handle spot duty.
Not really doggin you here RC, but this is the stuff that drives me crazy. Philly WON'T use a power back. They don't run like that...and never will as long as Reid is head coach. The reason to draft McCoy is to be a replacement for Westbrook when he is getting a blow, or is hurt or will be gone at some point. They are very, very similar...with McCoy having a slight edge at running up the middle. Philly would NEVER have taken a Greene...as they will never be a run up the middle and run out the clock team.
eaglechick
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i keep expecting great things from s.jax, and keep being disappointed. he killed me 2 years ago, and i can only see myself drafting him if he drops far below where i'm sure he'll go.
westbrook is still the cornerstone of the eagles offense. he should be healthy this year, and i think he'll continue to rack up TDs
westbrook is still the cornerstone of the eagles offense. he should be healthy this year, and i think he'll continue to rack up TDs
Runnik's Hambones
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I read on sporting news this morning that Westy has been out of OTAs with an ankle injury.
eaglechick
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he'll be just fine
Remote Controller
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No problem Phicin, I just don't think McCoy is all that. I see him as 75% of westbrook and no better, and that makes him normal.
thats cool, not sure I agree with you, as I loved what I saw of this kid in college. As with any draft pick though....you just never know til he plays.
Remote Controller
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...then you know much more on him than I and I defer. I was going off of a few other sources who weren't as high on him. Either way, I feel he does not do anything but help Westbrook stay fresh, and increases my reason for wanting him over SJax. Thanks for the info!!
ExperiencedRookie
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I was just reviewing SJaxs stats from last year. I want to make sure that I'm not missing anything.
What I see is a guy who started really really bad. His pre-season holdout brought him into week 1 out of "football shape". SJax wasn't ready to play and his numbers showed it.
In the 1st 3 weeks of the season he had 50 carries for 159 yards and 15 receptions for 133 yards. NO TDS!!
He started the year off averaging 3.2 YPC. Yikes. He most certainly was not ready to play football.
The following 3 weeks, things started to look up though. He was given a bigger workload, and doing much much more with it. Over the next 3 games he had 71 carries for 349 yards and 10 receptions for 126 yards with 4 TDs.
His YPC for the next 3 weeks was 4.9.
He went from averaging 9 fantasy PPG to 23 fantasy PPG. Things were certainly looking up.
Then shit happened. The injury bug bit SJax again cause him to only play 1 game out of the next 5. He only had 7 carries for 17 yards during this period. Complete fantasy irrelevence.
As soon as he returned from injury he got back to work though. Over the last 5 games of the year, which includes the "game back from injury", he gained 517 yards on 125 carries and added 15 receptions for 120 yards with 4 total TDs.
His YPC was a modest 4.1, and his fantasy PPG was 17.
All in all, it was certainly a disappointing year for SJax owners. That middle stretch of games might have put a lot of teams out of their playoff run. Starting slow was a major set back as well.
With SJax in camp this year he should be starting week 1 in "football shape". This should cause him to avoid that crappy slow start he experienced last year. Also, if he can avoid another nagging time missing injury, he can avoid that crap middle of the season run.
IF he avoids that injury this year he should easily be a top 5 RB.
Oh BTW, I voted for Westy....
What I see is a guy who started really really bad. His pre-season holdout brought him into week 1 out of "football shape". SJax wasn't ready to play and his numbers showed it.
In the 1st 3 weeks of the season he had 50 carries for 159 yards and 15 receptions for 133 yards. NO TDS!!
He started the year off averaging 3.2 YPC. Yikes. He most certainly was not ready to play football.
The following 3 weeks, things started to look up though. He was given a bigger workload, and doing much much more with it. Over the next 3 games he had 71 carries for 349 yards and 10 receptions for 126 yards with 4 TDs.
His YPC for the next 3 weeks was 4.9.
He went from averaging 9 fantasy PPG to 23 fantasy PPG. Things were certainly looking up.
Then shit happened. The injury bug bit SJax again cause him to only play 1 game out of the next 5. He only had 7 carries for 17 yards during this period. Complete fantasy irrelevence.
As soon as he returned from injury he got back to work though. Over the last 5 games of the year, which includes the "game back from injury", he gained 517 yards on 125 carries and added 15 receptions for 120 yards with 4 total TDs.
His YPC was a modest 4.1, and his fantasy PPG was 17.
All in all, it was certainly a disappointing year for SJax owners. That middle stretch of games might have put a lot of teams out of their playoff run. Starting slow was a major set back as well.
With SJax in camp this year he should be starting week 1 in "football shape". This should cause him to avoid that crappy slow start he experienced last year. Also, if he can avoid another nagging time missing injury, he can avoid that crap middle of the season run.
IF he avoids that injury this year he should easily be a top 5 RB.
Oh BTW, I voted for Westy....
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2007 – Slow start with a 3.37 ypc after 3 games.
2006 – Strong start but a decline in each of the first 3 games
2005 – 1st game not so good but 2 solid efforts followed
2004 – Used sparingly but with great impact in 2 of the 1st 3 games
2007 – Missed the next 3 games
2006 – Not overly impressive over the next 3 games – scored in 2 and had a good ypc in the other
2005 – 4th game was terrible even though he did score twice but the next 2 were good
2004 – Role increased but still minimal but performed well
2007 – Missed the next game and was not an impact player until after the bye
2006 – Bounced back nicely with 3 solid games
2005 – 2 solid games surrounding a great outing
2004 – Role was reduced and was shut down (only 3 carries) in one of them
2007 – Finished strong
2006 – Finished strong
2005 – 2 decent outings but the remainder were average to down right bad
2004 – Missed a couple games and ineffective in a 3rd but otherwise a strong finish despite the minimum opportunities he had.
Slow starts are not new to Jackson and he has become a better option come fantasy playoff time. Westie on the other hand is generally the more conventional solid player whenever he is in the game but by fantasy playoff’s he is likely a weekly game time decision.
ExperiencedRookie
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Solid post Cooley, Thanks.
This was the only thing that left me scratching my head. If a RB has 10 yards but hits the endzone twice, I'm smiling ear to ear.
Cooley Cadets
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Nice fantasy score for the week but not something I would want to count on happening regularly. Scoring yes, but did not draft him for a void at ypc.
Remote Controller
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Hold the presses and cover your ears EC>.................
Report: Westbrook is out until regular season at the earliest
Comcast Sportsnet in Philadelphia reports that Brian Westbrook has a high ankle sprain and will be sidelined until Week 1, at the earliest.
The report adds that Westbrook may need ankle clean-out surgery, which could cost him even more time. Westbrook had problems with the same ankle last year. He also needed arthroscopic knee surgery this winter and turns 30 before Week 1, making him a serious candidate for breakdown. Assuming it hasn't already happened. Westbrook averaged just 2.9 yards per carry in the Eagles' last six games. He's going to be someone to avoid in fantasy drafts. Jun. 3 - 5:43 pm et
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Report: Westbrook is out until regular season at the earliest
Comcast Sportsnet in Philadelphia reports that Brian Westbrook has a high ankle sprain and will be sidelined until Week 1, at the earliest.
The report adds that Westbrook may need ankle clean-out surgery, which could cost him even more time. Westbrook had problems with the same ankle last year. He also needed arthroscopic knee surgery this winter and turns 30 before Week 1, making him a serious candidate for breakdown. Assuming it hasn't already happened. Westbrook averaged just 2.9 yards per carry in the Eagles' last six games. He's going to be someone to avoid in fantasy drafts. Jun. 3 - 5:43 pm et
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WesDawg
'Burghapologist
If by "fine" you mean he'll produce solid stats for 12 weeks, be limited in 2 weeks, and miss parts or all of 2 games, I agree.
There's other options I prefer around his ADP who at least for now, I can count on to give me at least something for 16 games. As I said before, I know full well that (for the sake of this thread) SJax has recent durability concerns, but he's in his mid-20's and doesn't have anywhere the unhealthy track record of Westbrook.
And by the way, if he does indeed have a high ankle sprain, those tend to linger even after a player is cleared for game action.