Charlotte Newspapers saying: Draft QB Cam Newton.

Runnik's Hambones

Active Member
I feel the same way, Cerberus, as I'm sure Carolina is as well. Unfortunately, all we have is film. There's a very good possibility that Cam is a total bust, but based on everything I've seem, I can't make an argument for it besides comparing him to previous players, which would be completely unfair. The kid's a stud.
 

Fire

in the hole
Update on previous disinformation:
Updating a previous item, the Gaston Gazette's Steve Reed is now told by league sources that the Panthers are unlikely to pursue free agent QB Billy Volek as a stopgap option.
Reed was apparently just connecting the dots when he first floated the idea of Volek to the Panthers as a "mentor" in Rob Chudzinski's offense. It's not clear if Carolina will ditch the veteran fill-in option altogether, or if it's just a lack of interest in Volek.
 

Cerberus

In Dog We Trust
Dont understand why they gave up on him so quick. Id much rather have a veteran QB in there and a rookie behind him learning the system and the game speed preparing to start the following season. But what the hell do i know, im just a fan.
 

Phicinfan

Expert on nothing, opinionated on everything
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Key things to think here.

First, regardless of vet Qbs or not, the Panthers have to decide if Claussen is worth developing, or do they get their franchise Qb. If they don't feel Claussen is it, THEN they have to decide if Newton or Gabbert are. Otherwise, you fix a very needed DL. Its really that simple.

I for one, would not bet the farm on Newton or Gabbert. I actually like Gabbert, but not that high. I would draft to fix the DL and then decide in 3rd round what is left. With their running game, they can win games and grind it out if they play real Def., which they should under a defensive minded HC.

If you decide to go vet, there are options out there, once the CBA is done.
 

Runnik's Hambones

Active Member
Hypothetical: If the result of the mediation is in part a rookie salary cap that doesn't award rookie players over $2-$3 million in guaranteed cash, do any of your thoughts on risking the 1st pick on a QB like Cam or Gabbert change?
 

Coachnorm

Moderator
Hypothetical: If the result of the mediation is in part a rookie salary cap that doesn't award rookie players over $2-$3 million in guaranteed cash, do any of your thoughts on risking the 1st pick on a QB like Cam or Gabbert change?

An interesting notion as this year could be unique in this way.
 

Phicinfan

Expert on nothing, opinionated on everything
Administrator
Hypothetical: If the result of the mediation is in part a rookie salary cap that doesn't award rookie players over $2-$3 million in guaranteed cash, do any of your thoughts on risking the 1st pick on a QB like Cam or Gabbert change?

in a word Yes. It is one reason I feel they HAVE to make that change. Shackling an NFL franchise with a huge money bust kills franchises for years. If they have a rookie cap, i think Qbs will go much, much faster. But, it has to be done BEFORE the draft.
 

Cerberus

In Dog We Trust
Hypothetical: If the result of the mediation is in part a rookie salary cap that doesn't award rookie players over $2-$3 million in guaranteed cash, do any of your thoughts on risking the 1st pick on a QB like Cam or Gabbert change?

No, I still don't think any QB in this draft is first round worthy, money or not.
 

bobbeaux

Member
Hypothetical: If the result of the mediation is in part a rookie salary cap that doesn't award rookie players over $2-$3 million in guaranteed cash, do any of your thoughts on risking the 1st pick on a QB like Cam or Gabbert change?

no . . . you'd get the same benefit with another position . . . i don't think the rookie scale should change the way a team drafts much whether it's for need, position or bpa.
 

Runnik's Hambones

Active Member
See, I tend to agree with Phic on this one. I think it should change the way all teams evaluate the draft, and frankly, it would. For example, Oakland wouldn't have had the carry over of Jamarcus Russell tainting their organization 4 years removed from their selection of him in 2007.

I believe that there should be a rookie salary cap, but necessarily for the same reasons. It could be argued that, like stated above, it allows teams to "gamble" on some of those unsure prospects without a huge blow to their financial well-being for the next half a decade. However, would that really be helping the game? What makes New England great? I believe it's the draft. They drafted Tom Brady when no one else even wanted to try the lanky kid out. Also, year in and year out, we constantly see New England stacking draft picks like a motherfrakker, and every year they're in the hunt at the end of the season. If teams could comfortably pick studs coming out of college then most teams would only be affected by crap picks for one season, and then they get a do over; not to mention the fact that they would have yet another high draft pick in the following year. The reason the Bucs had an "unexpected" year last year, is because they had an excellent couple of years drafting, and they hit the jackpot on some of their bets. I'd hate to lose the competitive nature of the NFL draft because of a rookie salary cap.

With that said, I still believe that there should be a NFL salary cap. My reasoning may be simple but it is sound. I HATE seeing young kids getting paid the kind of change that they do these days off of only potential. It drives me crazy to see veteran players trying to compete with rookies, that may or may not work out, on how much they're getting paid.
 

Phicinfan

Expert on nothing, opinionated on everything
Administrator
Okay, lets be clear here.

First, I am for the rookie salary cap. Not though, so teams can "gamble." I am for the cap simply because I find it rediculous to pay a rookie who has never played a down millions of dollars more than alot of all pro vets. It simply isn't fair and does not make sense. I merely pointed out that the benefit of a salary cap is that if a team does get a bust, they no longer have to be hamstrung for 4-5 and in some cases 6 years due to that huge salary and contract and the overall cap hit. Sign them for 2-3 years, at a low price, if they develop, they can then negotiate a RFA deal.

Secondly, to think a rookie salary cap will not effect how a team drafts is somewhat naive in my opinion. Alot of teams would love to take a shot at some particular players. But when you have a top pick, and tons of money are there, you tend to make what you feel is the "safe" pick to get best value. Look at what Houston did vs. Bush. Now, in the long run, it was the right choice. But look at teams that did not draft Aaron Rodgers due to his flags.......and not wanting to risk a high pick. It works both ways. Now teams can maybe "reach" a little, knowing they will no longer be stuck for so many long years. But that still doesn't mean you should draft a Tebow in the first! whoops..... ;)

Cam maybe the next Vick/Elway, or he may be the next Akili Smith. If I need a Qb though, and status is as it was in the past years....I don't touch him. However, if I can sign him for a much lower contract......and not have as high a risk...that is totally different.
 

bobbeaux

Member
i'm very much for a rookie wage scale as well . . . but there are risks in drafting any position . . . i hear what ya'll are saying since the qb is the leader of the team and when you get a good one, he "should" stay with the team for a very long time . . . but, the same can be said for a DL or OL or even WR or CB taken high in the draft . . . you are still getting the benefit of not paying outrageous money for a player unproven in the pros . . . imo, if a player at any position isn't worth being taken in a particular round, the rookie wage scale shouldn't make it ok to reach for them when a team could gain more overall value for the team as a whole by selecting another position of need . . . will it happen? . . . if they follow the media and guru's over inflation of players, yeah, probably so . . . if they follow their own evaluations, not so much.
 

bobbeaux

Member
i really think carolina would love to trade out of the #1 pick especially since they don't have a 2nd rounder and have many needs . . . imo, this qb talk is trying to gain interest in a team moving up to get 1 of these qb's . . . but i don't think anyone's buying it . . . they just aren't worth it . . . the panthers aren't going to do anything with a rookie qb without an oline to protect him nor a dline to stop the opposition.
 
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