mills
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or might I say... a Roethlisburger?
Big Ben: The Aftermath
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or might I say... a Roethlisburger?
Cooley Cadets
Banned
If you haven't read the reports I thought I would post the following link - still working through it myself
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0415101roethlisberger1.html
Sounds like the girls may have followed Ben and I think there is as much chance ________ was like ok... and the "No" was only added afterwards when Ben dismissed her by leaving without even saying thank you. The DTF sticker and comments/statements tell quite a bit about why a prosecutor might be reluctant to move on this.
More Roethlisberger Sleaze - April 16, 2010
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0415101roethlisberger1.html
Sounds like the girls may have followed Ben and I think there is as much chance ________ was like ok... and the "No" was only added afterwards when Ben dismissed her by leaving without even saying thank you. The DTF sticker and comments/statements tell quite a bit about why a prosecutor might be reluctant to move on this.
More Roethlisberger Sleaze - April 16, 2010
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GoToLeep
Fantasy Football Champ!!
I am still trying to figure out what Big Ben did wrong (enough to warrant any kind of disciplinary action).
Out partying with friends. Oops, I have done that. Talking to some girls. Oops, I have done that. Sex in a club or other non-traditional place. Oops, I have done that. Got that girl pissed at me. Oops, I have done that. Had some bad things said about me by a woman. Hasn't every guy.
He was never arrested or charged. He was not in an inappropriate place. I just don't get the attitude towards him. Yes, he shouldn't be doing whatever he was doing in public. I guess guys with a lot of money just have to do things differently than everyone else or risk lies and then public humility.
Just IMHO!!.
So instead of
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Big Ben needs to have a written agreement and stick to
Out partying with friends. Oops, I have done that. Talking to some girls. Oops, I have done that. Sex in a club or other non-traditional place. Oops, I have done that. Got that girl pissed at me. Oops, I have done that. Had some bad things said about me by a woman. Hasn't every guy.
He was never arrested or charged. He was not in an inappropriate place. I just don't get the attitude towards him. Yes, he shouldn't be doing whatever he was doing in public. I guess guys with a lot of money just have to do things differently than everyone else or risk lies and then public humility.
Just IMHO!!.
So instead of
or
or
Big Ben needs to have a written agreement and stick to
Big Ben needs to have a written agreement and stick to
Your damn right...Ben needs to invest as much in sex as he does private protection. Men of wealth and fame hire body guards to protect their wealth and well being.....they need to consider taking the same approach to sex.....hire a freaking prostitute! They are discrete and keep their mouths shut! In the long run it saves them in the public eye and the pocket book....think about it, how many hookers could Ben have bought for the $$ he just dealt out to his lawyer???
efactor
Coming at you
I am still trying to figure out what Big Ben did wrong (enough to warrant any kind of disciplinary action).
Out partying with friends. Oops, I have done that. Talking to some girls. Oops, I have done that. Sex in a club or other non-traditional place. Oops, I have done that. Got that girl pissed at me. Oops, I have done that. Had some bad things said about me by a woman. Hasn't every guy.
He was never arrested or charged. He was not in an inappropriate place. I just don't get the attitude towards him. Yes, he shouldn't be doing whatever he was doing in public. I guess guys with a lot of money just have to do things differently than everyone else or risk lies and then public humility.
Just IMHO!!.
So instead of
or
Big Ben needs to have a written agreement and stick to
Here's my spin............
How about thinking about the big picture instead of immediate gratification. Since I have never had Ben's wealth, I won't claim I had the options he has had, but I did all right in my single days. There were several instances in those days when I choose not to have sex with willing girls who were drunk off their asses and not thinking straight.
This 20 year old seems like she was pretty focked up. How about walking away and moving on to the next willing girl who had the capacity to make an intelligent decision on weather to have sex with the fat, drunk and stupid QB? It's called "doing the right thing". If, god forbid, he ever has a daughter, I hope she can have access to this information about her jackass father.....
I'm all for people having a good time, but this crossed the line. He's just a jackass, plain and simple...........
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Cooley Cadets
Banned
You appear to be correct about the 20 yr. old and according to 1 side that is what he did. She fell, he helped her up and called it off.
I may be off but when I looked at the diagram of the place. Ben's curtained off section was on the opposite side of the building as the restroom. This innocent 20 year old with the DTF (down to fock) sticker on, who had followed Ben to 3 different bars, was chatting him up and drinking his alcohol, went and waited for him, and went into the bathroom on her own gave no details of what actually happened, left and while in front of a 4th bar (going in or coming out?) complained to a cop. Giving more detail about how Ben just walked off afterwards than what actually happened.
Ben may be a jackass but I'm beginning to suspect he is not a/TheRapist.
Cerberus
In Dog We Trust
Ben is not a rapist in my opinion but he lacks common sense. I see alot of mixed emotions and chatter on not knowing what he did wrong. If anything he is guilty of supplying alcohol to minors and be charged with that but funny how that hasnt even come up yet anywhere. Now last night heard there was another girl with a incident but she never filed any paperwork. Supposidly she drove Ben home and he got frisky and she had a few problems getting out the door, but she did get out. Then a week later she came back on her own and again something happened and thats what shes complaining about. UH hello, you stupid ass bitch you went back again after the first time you had issues. You put yourself in a bad situation so your half to blame for whatever happened.
No clue what really has happened with Ben and all these accusations of misconduct. Guilty or not, the pattern that is going on seems fishy. Alot more there than being said.
No clue what really has happened with Ben and all these accusations of misconduct. Guilty or not, the pattern that is going on seems fishy. Alot more there than being said.
Cooley Cadets
Banned
I am not going to dis the girl that served as his designated driver (did I read it correctly that this was not the first time she did this for him?). There was an incident and apparently she thought they had addressed it so that type of behavior would not recur - she apparently was wrong but I do not think that makes her stupid.
Fully agree. I also again question....why no charges were filed for supplying underage girls with alcohol in the first place? Isn't the legal drinking age 21 in GA? It is most places.
OH, also....call me old fassion. But NO means No. I don't care how much you make or how drunk she is. If she said No......you stop. Period.
Cooley Cadets
Banned
That is a pretty big if.
GoToLeep
Fantasy Football Champ!!
I agree 100% efactor. The right thing would have been to walk away. But again, suspensions by the league. If they are going to guide the moral (not legal) compass for what these guys do off the field, then there are going to be a lot of suspensions and other forms of discipline.
Oh, and he may have bought her drinks, but they were in 3-4 bars. The bigger question is what is she doing in all of these bars while she is underage!!!
Why? Because by ONE report she was interested in Ben? You don't think the report from his own OT isn't slightly biased?
I find it more believable she had a change of heart at the last minute.
Cooley Cadets
Banned
By one report meaning
1. it is uncontested that she arrived shortly after Ben at 3 different bars.
2. it is uncontested she made contact with Ben each time
3. it is uncontested she was drinking with Ben
4. it is uncontested she was wearing the DTF sticker and told Ben what it stood for
5. it is uncontested she gave no details of what happened
6. it is uncontested she gave details about how Ben left her
7. it is uncontested she did not call the police from the bar
8. it is uncontested she spoke to a police officer in front of at least her 4th bar of the night and was over twice the legal limit to be driving
9. it is uncontested that she sat on a stool waiting... for???
10. it is uncontested she went into the mens bathroom on her own in front of him
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You don't think the report from her friends some time after they left the bar isn't slightly biased?
Cooley Cadets
Banned
"Down to F - ck" - the group she was with came from a birthday party and each of them had a sticker with something "joke" oriented on their name-tags if I understood correctly.
Please show me where you got this. Cause I have not seen any of this.
However, if you go by the police report...please note that said officer has resigned...and is under investigation.
As for other reports....most I have read, have the fact that they supplied acohol to her and her friends and that she was escoreted out as solid.
I also call out the fact she was there before, and followed him, does not eleviate Ben from if she said no.
Cooley Cadets
Banned
I posted links earlier to the reports with the witness statements attached.
The escort is alleged but I would not consider it solid as it is being contested.
IF she said "no" before anything happened. I am not sure that happened.
Cooley Cadets
Banned
I would also point out that one of the witness statements appeared to me when I read it, to indicate she thought Ben was being set up so she thought she needed to provide a statement.
The typed report indicated this was actually a belief that Ben was setting the victim up but did not refer or provide an amended witness statement.
The typed report indicated this was actually a belief that Ben was setting the victim up but did not refer or provide an amended witness statement.