Wes Welker - Safety Valve or not?

cctekguy

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Brees has a "welker type" and it's not a WR or TE, it's Sproles. He is his safety valve.

I'm confused.

When did Welker start being considered a "safety valve"?

You know....the guy Brady dumps off to when none of his REAL receivers are open.
 
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I'm confused.
That really doesn't take much now does it.....

When did Welker start being considered a "safety valve"?

You know....the guy Brady dumps off to when none of his REAL receivers are open.

Welker is the safety valve of that offense and has been for quite some time. He is Brady's trusted guy that he can get the ball to when needed.....guess you need to watch more Patriots games.....or maybe just more football games period ;)

And when did a safety valve become just a dump off guy....and I don't think Sproles is a dump off guy at all, he is much more, hence why I feel he is the safety valve.
 
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About Football Glossary - Safety Valve

From James Alder, former About.com Guide


Definition: A short pass thrown to a running back when the quarterback cannot find an open receiver before the pass rush closes in.

Examples: After throwing a block, a running back will often move into the flat as a safety valve in case the quarterback cannot find a receiver down the field.


http://football.about.com/cs/football101/g/gl_safetyvalve.htm


http://sportingcharts.com/dictionary/nfl/safety-valve.aspx









No doubt I could stand to watch more football, perhaps you need to try turning up the volume.
 
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LMAO!!! Did you read football for dummies as well.....Tell me you don't have that site bookmarked......

And I am referring to them as a safety value for the offense in general terms, not on a specific play....but according to your "expert" (trying not to laugh) source here, a TE is not a safety valve on plays either?

Welker is the guy Brady goes to when he needs bailed out IMO. That is why I used the term and will stand by that.



About Football Glossary - Safety Valve

From James Alder, former About.com Guide


Definition: A short pass thrown to a running back when the quarterback cannot find an open receiver before the pass rush closes in.

Examples: After throwing a block, a running back will often move into the flat as a safety valve in case the quarterback cannot find a receiver down the field.


http://football.about.com/cs/football101/g/gl_safetyvalve.htm


http://sportingcharts.com/dictionary/nfl/safety-valve.aspx









No doubt I could stand to watch more football, perhaps you need to try turning up the volume.
 
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And since Google works for me as well....I'm not the only one that uses this term for him:

Welker has been the Patriots' safety valve on offense -- he's seemingly impossible to cover and regularly records double-digit receptions.
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/7942704/should-wes-welker-signed-tender

Welker is essentially the forced safety valve for Tom Brady, and he has to to him a lot, and teams are willing to give up that underneath pass.
http://www.thevictoryformation.com/2012/05/18/wes-welker-contract-negotiations-not-going-well/

Since coming to the New England Patriots in 2007, Welker has caught 554 balls for 6108 yards in 5 seasons. Welker is the ultimate safety valve for quarterback Tom Brady. Out of the slot, Welker can attack any opening in a defense with his quickness and route running ability and it has made him one of the most dangerous weapons in the league.
http://www.bostonsbettah.com/?p=4302

Welker has, as Carter acknowledges, transcended his role as a safety valve for Tom Brady, but one can argue that he would not put up numbers like he has in a different system with a different quarterback.
http://www.patriots101.com/2012/05/...-eighth-among-active-receivers/?doing_wp_cron

Looks like my volume is just right :biglaugh:
 
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I think it's fair to point out that in years gone by a RB being dumped the ball before the QB was hit was thought of as the safety valve. Just another one of those things whose definition has been changed through the years. Now don't be to rough on Tekie, it's a hard job for him hanging on the roof pointing those rabbit ears.
 
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Tech is stuck in the 70's.

The game has evolved and TEs and slot receivers are targeted as "safety valve" options..............
 
Re: Devery Henderson is one of the Saint's top 3 WR's

LMAO!!! Did you read football for dummies as well.....Tell me you don't have that site bookmarked......

Unfortunately, definitions for common football terms can only be found on "Football For Dummies" sites. The more sophisticated sites assume you already know what a "Safety Valve" is. Apparently, they assume wrong.

Of course I don't have it bookmarked but I imagine many women do. Maybe you should ask your wife what a "Safety Valve" is.

And I am referring to them as a safety value for the offense in general terms, not on a specific play.

So I can use the term "Blitz" (in general terms) to refer to a player rushing off the field to avoid a penalty?

...or I can call a guy a "Deep Threat" (in general terms) because he's way down on the depth chart?


....but according to your "expert" (trying not to laugh) source here, a TE is not a safety valve on plays either?

Of course a TE can be a Safety Valve. Did you not even understand the verbiage on the page for DUMMIES?
If a TE is kept in to block on a passing down and releases to the flat as a last chance option for the QB then he would qualify as a "Safety Valve".

Please...CALL ME the next time you see Welker blocking on a passing down.



Welker is the guy Brady goes to when he needs bailed out IMO.

Welker is a "Go To Guy". Another term you may not have a firm grasp of. Try the links in my original post for a clear definition


That is why I used the term and will stand by that.

Standing by your words (no matter how inaccurate) is admirable. Kind of like standing by your Bengals...through thick and thin.

But standing by them does not change the fact that they SUCK. :tongue:
 
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Did you use the "About Sex Glossary" to decipher what your wife was talking about last night too....

So I can use the term "Blitz" (in general terms) to refer to a player rushing off the field to avoid a penalty?

...or I can call a guy a "Deep Threat" (in general terms) because he's way down on the depth chart?
Seriously??? Come on tecki, your not this retarded.....

Of course a TE can be a Safety Valve. Did you not even understand the verbiage on the page for DUMMIES?
If a TE is kept in to block on a passing down and releases to the flat as a last chance option for the QB then he would qualify as a "Safety Valve".

Please...CALL ME the next time you see Welker blocking on a passing down.
OH NO....not according to the teckie for dummies definition you used....it was quite specific..
Definition: A short pass thrown to a running back when the quarterback cannot find an open receiver before the pass rush closes in.
See....says RUNNING BACK, no where does it say anything else.....and you just made it clear that two phrases can not possibly have different meaning depending on context in the world of teckie for dummies....can't have it both ways my friend.

Welker is a "Go To Guy". Another term you may not have a firm grasp of. Try the links in my original post for a clear definition
Nope, Gronk and the Hernandez are go to guys in that offense. The offense is now built around their abilities. Moss used to be the go to guy. Welker, despite being a stud, has never been the designed go to guy. As described by others above that I linked to that actually cover football unlike your teckie for dummies link, Welker is the Ultimate Safety Valve.....or as another described, he has transcended the safety valve role. His role has never been and never will be that of a go to guy. But in the teckie for dummies world, he catches a lot of passes, so i guess he has to be a go to guy......

Of course I don't have it bookmarked but I imagine many women do.
You may want to, apparently you need it more than most women. Even my wife understands that Welker is Brady's safety valve and she didn't even need your teckie for dummies link.....:tongue:
 
Well, this is boring. Since when does the slot receiver, who is a main cog in an offense rate being a safety valve?? Really?
 
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Seriously??? Come on tecki, your not this retarded.....

Now you know how I felt when I read your first claim that Welker was a safety valve. "SURELY Miller just made a mistake", I thought.


OH NO....not according to the teckie for dummies definition you used....it was quite specific..
Definition: A short pass thrown to a running back when the quarterback cannot find an open receiver before the pass rush closes in.
See....says RUNNING BACK, no where does it say anything else.....and you just made it clear that two phrases can not possibly have different meaning depending on context in the world of teckie for dummies....can't have it both ways my friend.

The 2nd link clearly uses the words "usually a RB". A Tackle can be a safety valve if he is receiver eligible and not a primary, secondary or tertiary target on the play.


Nope, Gronk and the Hernandez are go to guys in that offense. The offense is now built around their abilities. Moss used to be the go to guy. Welker, despite being a stud, has never been the designed go to guy. As described by others above that I linked to that actually cover football unlike your teckie for dummies link, Welker is the Ultimate Safety Valve.....or as another described, he has transcended the safety valve role. His role has never been and never will be that of a go to guy. But in the teckie for dummies world, he catches a lot of passes, so i guess he has to be a go to guy......

Based on last year, I agree that Gronk and Hernandez are the go-to guys. In Moss' heyday he was never the go-to guy. He was the deep threat. Welker was the go-to guy then, and for many seasons prior to last year.

There were too many Google results to quote them all but just Google "Brady's Go-To Guy" and tell me how many times Welker's name pops up. Then tell me if you can find Moss in that list.

You may want to, apparently you need it more than most women. Even my wife understands that Welker is Brady's safety valve and she didn't even need your teckie for dummies link.....:tongue:

Women learn about football from their husbands so it's understandable that your wife makes the same mistakes you do.




E-Factor suggested that perhaps I was quoting an outdated definition of a Safety Valve and there is every possibility that in my hermit-like lifestyle that I have missed some key definition changes.

But certainly there must have been some sort of acknowledgement that the age tested meaning of some football terms have changed. Surely you can find me a web page that clearly states the meaning of the term as you see it and not just a handful of quotes where other people misuse the term. Common mistakes are still mistakes.
 
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E-Factor suggested that perhaps I was quoting an outdated definition of a Safety Valve and there is every possibility that in my hermit-like lifestyle that I have missed some key definition changes.

But certainly there must have been some sort of acknowledgement that the age tested meaning of some football terms have changed. Surely you can find me a web page that clearly states the meaning of the term as you see it and not just a handful of quotes where other people misuse the term. Common mistakes are still mistakes.
Why don't ya just post what you PM'd to me, since you found this all by yourself ;)
 
I don't think it proved your point so much as it validated your opinion.

Mine is still the orthodox definition however I will concede that it's usage has been sufficiently bastardized enough to give your comments credibility.

You're still wrong but your wrongness is widely accepted.
 
Not by my account.

By the definition I have always gone by, the safety valve is the off receiver(rb,te, wr) who is hot if blitz happens and #1 and or #2 are covered.

By that definition, Welker is NOT a safety valve. He is at minimum #2 look in any NE set.
 
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