Sarge's Take on Possible Superconference Breakdowns

[Sgt John]

SEC: (16)
Georgia, Florida, Tennesee, Alabama, Miss, Miss St, Arkansas, Kentucky, LSU, South Carolina, Auburn, Vanderbilt, Miami, Virginia Tech, Florida State, North Carolina

Big 1211)
Texas Tech, Baylor, Oklahoma State, Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa St, TCU, Houston, Rice, SMU, Tulsa

ACC: (15)
Boston College, Duke, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Maryland, Wake Forest, Virginia, North Carolina State, West Virginia, South Florida, Louisville, Rutgers, Cincinnati, Conneticut, Syracuse

Big Ten: (16)
Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin, Purdue, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Michigan St, Northwestern, Illinois, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Pittsburgh

Pac 10: (14)
USC, UCLA, Stanford, California, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State, Arizona, Arizona State, BYU, Utah, Colorado, Boise St


WAC: (14)
Fresno St, Hawaii, Idaho, Louisiana Tech, Nevada, New Mexico St, San Jose St, Utah St, Air Force, Colorado State, Wyoming, New Mexico, SD State, UNLV

Sun Belt Conference: (16)
Arkansas St, Florida Atlantic, Florida International, ULL, ULM, Mid Tenn St, North Texas, Troy, Western Kentucky, South Alabama (2013), UAB, Memphis, Southern Miss, UTEP, Tulane, UCF, ECU

MAC Conference: (14)
Akron, Bowling Green, Buffalo, Kent State, Miami OH, Ohio, Temple, Ball St, Central Mich, Eastern Mich, N Illinois, Toledo, Western Mich, Marshall

Independant:
Navy, Army, Notre Dame

Maybe something like this??????????????????

 

[WesDawg]

ACC (15): BC, UConn, Syracuse, Rutgers, Penn St., Pitt, Maryland, WVU, Virginia, Va Tech, UNC, NC St, Wake Forest, Duke, East Carolina

Big 10 (15) : Ohio St, Cincy, Kentucky, Louisville, Indiana, Northwestern, Purdue, Notre Dame, Illinois, Michigan, Michigan St, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Iowa St

Big 12 (14) : Arkansas, LSU, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, TCU, Houston, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Nebraska, Missouri, Kansas, Kansas St, Colorado.

SEC (14): Auburn, Alabama, Florida, Florida St., Miami, USF, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Clemson, South Carolina, Ole Miss, Miss St, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

Pac 10 (14): USC, UCLA, Stanford, California, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State, Arizona, Arizona State, BYU, Utah, Fresno St, Boise St

Sprinkle the remainders into the WAC, MWC, and Conference USA and you have a very evenly distributed set of 5 Superconferences with minimal travel time and existing/potential/past geographic rivalries that make sense. Also would help ensure recruiting bases stay more "at home".

 

[Kingdome]

Neither the Pac-10 or Big Ten will accept non-research institutions into their conference. UC Davis has a better shot at the Pac-10 than Boise State. That is why the Pac-10 is looking at Utah & the Big 12.

 

[Sgt John]

in this kind of scenario the Pac10 will adapt or be forgotten.
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[Kingdome]

At worst, they could snag Utah & Colorado, but that still doesn't work alignment wise. I am thinking the Pac-10 goes 14+, or stays at 10. The bigger these conferences get, the more they will become like two separate conference within a larger one.

The more I think about it, the more I think the Big East needs to be absorbed, and a superconference of the mid majors should be created into a BCS conference.

 

[Kingdome]

Fantasy land:

Pac-10 West: USC, UCLA, Stanford, California, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State

Pac-10 East: Arizona State, Arizona, Utah, Colorado, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M


Big Ten West: Minnesota, Iowa, Iowa State, Nebraska, Kansas State, Kansas, Missouri, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin

Big Ten East: Indiana, Purdue, Notre Dame, Michigan State, Michigan, Ohio State, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Penn State, Syracuse


ACC North: Boston College, UConn, Rutgers, Maryland, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Louisville, Cincinnati

ACC South: North Carolina, North Carolina State, Duke, Wake Forest, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Miami


SEC stays the same


New BCS conference (but not a $ super conference like the other 4):

West: San Diego State, Fresno State, Nevada, UNLV, Boise State, BYU, New Mexico, Colorado State, Texas Tech, UTEP

East: Texas Christian, Baylor, Houston, Tulane, Memphis, South Florida, Central Florida, East Carolina, UAB, Southern Miss


Non BCS conferences:


MAC gets Marshall back


New WAC: Hawaii, San Jose State, Idaho, Utah State, Wyoming, New Mexico State, Montana, Montana State, UC Davis, Cal Poly


New: Air Force, Rice, SMU, Tulsa, Army, Navy, Cornell, Penn, Princeton, Harvard, Yale, Brown


New South: Florida International, Florida Atlantic, Troy, South Alabama, Louisiana-Lafayette, Louisiana-Monroe, Louisiana Tech, North Texas, Missouri State, Arkansas State, Southern Illinois, Western Kentucky, UNC Charlotte, Richmond, Middle Tennessee, Georgia State

 

[Sgt John]

Now your moving up a bunch of schools that Im not sure fit FBS requirements. My way was with the current schools.

 

[mudloggerone]

Any dream that removes LSU from the SEC anal gonna happen.

 

[Sgt John]

Never think anyone wouldnt leave a place for more money. But LSU wouldnt leave the SEC unless the cash haul and academic worth was probably twice what they get now.

 

[mudloggerone]

As I said, it won't be happening.

 

[Sgt John]

As I said, it won't be happening.

Why would it NEVER happen? Because LSU is married to the SEC and would turn down double money and better academics?

You are thinking like a sports fan and not like a decision maker (ie University President).

I agree it would likely never happen, but you are wrong to say there is no chance in hell it would never occur. You honestly have no idea how this is all going to turn out, and the funny thing is all of it will be in response to things your people helped start.

Even 2 years ago Id have told you we'd NEVER join the Big 10 or Pac 10. Amazing what happens when large amounts of cash and better opportunities for your childrens educations come along.

 

[Kingdome]

Now your moving up a bunch of schools that Im not sure fit FBS requirements. My way was with the current schools.

Throw them out & it still works. Just focus on the BCS conferences.

I think I figured out how to make 4 Super Conferences. I didn't add any teams to the SEC because they already have 6 elite football programs. Adding a Florida State or Miami to the SEC will make them even top heavier than they are now, plus greatly weaken the ACC. My set-up above also works well for basketball. The 4 schools joining the ACC for example bring with them a combined 6 basketball national championships.

Also consider the rivalries. For example Notre Dame regularly plays Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State, & Pitt already, plus had a rivalry with Penn State during the 80's, so they would fit in just fine in the Big Ten east.

 

[Sgt John]

Be interesting to see how it turns out.

 

[Kingdome]

Rivalries and athletics fit are important. Piss off the fans & that $ goes away. Half the fun for college football is the rivalries & border wars. Down in SEC country where the professional sports markets are fewer, it is even more intense. Those LSU fans won't cry losing a Vandy or Kentucky, but you will have to pry Bama and Florida away from their cold, dead hands.

As for the academics, that is up to the university itself. Joining a conference does not change a school's academics. The Big Ten schools, Pac-10 schools, Texas, Florida, etc. are all major research universities. In the Pac-10 & Big Ten's case, the conference is connected academically too. All members are peer elite research universities. The academic issue only pertains to elite research institutions and their interest in an association with other peer elite research institutions.

Since LSU is in the process of growing their research end, like most of the rest of the SEC, it is a good fit academically for the time being.

 

[Sgt John]

Rivalries and athletics fit are important. Piss off the fans & that $ goes away. Half the fun for college football is the rivalries & border wars.

Fans will take what they get. They might stay "upset" for a year at most, but they wont quit supporting the team.

Down in SEC country where the professional sports markets are fewer, it is even more intense. Those LSU fans won't cry losing a Vandy or Kentucky, but you will have to pry Bama and Florida away from their cold, dead hands.

You would think so, but again Texas A&M was going to walk to the SEC and be damn everyone else till LSU screwed them out of it. The Aggies hate us more than LSU could ever hate Alabama or Florida, yet theyd have ran in heartbeat.

As for the academics, that is up to the university itself. Joining a conference does not change a school's academics. The Big Ten schools, Pac-10 schools, Texas, Florida, etc. are all major research universities. In the Pac-10 & Big Ten's case, the conference is connected academically too. All members are peer elite research universities. The academic issue only pertains to elite research institutions and their interest in an association with other peer elite research institutions.

So what your saying is SEC schools by and large dont care if they churn out dumbasses so long as they remain loyal to the conference. Improvements or not, I have a hard time believing that.

Since LSU is in the process of growing their research end, like most of the rest of the SEC, it is a good fit academically for the time being.

Everything is a good fit "for the time being". If the status quo was a long term solution however, we wouldnt be having these discussions of who will end up where and the death of one or two BCS conferences.

Back to the point of where this all started is simply Mud cant just flat out dismiss your conference model because LSU will sink to the 9th level of hell if it left the SEC in a massive realignment scenario. Likely or unlikely, it cant be just thrown in the trash.

 

[WesDawg]

This thread is sort of a fun exercise in creativity, I thought. Narrow minds need not apply..

If there's going to be radical realignment, what we all grew up knowing as the SEC or PAC 10 won't ever be that again, period. In 10 years you'd be pumped up about an annual rivalry game against UT or OU just like you are now against Arkansas or Bama. It would likely take a good 5-6 years after something like this happened before any sort of pecking order would be established as far as which new conference would be boss.

Hey, didn't you used to be the Southwest Conference? The same old corner barbershop crowd was complaining loudly when this folded, too.. Change is BAD!

Southwest Conference - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[mudloggerone]

One of the reasons I say it will not happen Sarge is because of the post you made. No other conference can outbid the SEC and certainly there's none that can double the payout for LSU. Second key reason is the SEC tie in with the Sugar Bowl, a bowl that happens to host tne BCS Championship game on a rotating basis. We LSU fans consider the Sugar Bowl, played in our backyard, to be home turf. We won't be walking away from the SEC until hell itself freezes over. Even then you'd have to drag us away. We are in the richest, best dam league it the USA and we manage to at least hold our on. We can't be run off by the competion and no one can afford to buy us out. I could be wrong but I predict there is zero chance we'll be leaving the SEC in this generation.

 

[mudloggerone]

FTR, I have stated before on these threads that I would welcome Texas to our fold. I'd love to be able to meet them every season on the gridiron and the diamond. I see Texas as a huge boost for the SEC if we could entice them into joining the best conference in America.

 

[Sgt John]

One of the reasons I say it will not happen Sarge is because of the post you made. No other conference can outbid the SEC and certainly there's none that can double the payout for LSU. Second key reason is the SEC tie in with the Sugar Bowl, a bowl that happens to host tne BCS Championship game on a rotating basis. We LSU fans consider the Sugar Bowl, played in our backyard, to be home turf. We won't be walking away from the SEC until hell itself freezes over. Even then you'd have to drag us away. We are in the richest, best dam league it the USA and we manage to at least hold our on. We can't be run off by the competion and no one can afford to buy us out. I could be wrong but I predict there is zero chance we'll be leaving the SEC in this generation.

Your are absolutely right AS THE STATUS QUO IS RIGHT NOW.

The SEC deal is the reason all of this realignment is going to happen.

When that does, the landscape will be radically different for everyone.

 

[Sgt John]

FTR, I have stated before on these threads that I would welcome Texas to our fold. I'd love to be able to meet them every season on the gridiron and the diamond. I see Texas as a huge boost for the SEC if we could entice them into joining the best conference in America.

In the early 90s A&M would have been a big boost to the SEC and yet LSU blocked them for Arkansas. (not that Im against the Razorbacks getting slapped around on a yearly basis). Texas would be more of an across the board threat now then the Aggies were then. You would welcome us Im sure, but would your administration and membership?