Philadelphia QB Situation
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efactor
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I have a feeling that McNabb is out of Philly, as Kolb seems ready to go, but not to Minnesota, as there is no way that Brett doesn't come back for another season and I think they would rather have him than McNabb.
McNabb to SF would make sense. They have a chance to take that division over with the retirement of Warner and no other good teams waiting in the wings. The X factor for SF is QB. If they get consistent play there, they can be a threat to make some noise, especially if they fix the RT position with one of their first rounders. If they go into 2010 with Smith at QB and he sucks it up, it's another season wasted. Time to make a play for right now and McNabb would be a good 2 season guy to make them a contender while they groom Nate Davis or another young QB.
Worst case for SF would be for him to end up in Arizona, which also makes sense as I'm not sure Arizona is all that confident in Leinart, especially with Fitz in his prime and Boldin still around. I don't think Arizona wants them to go to waste.
Vick to the Rams would be interesting. Won't cost much and will be better than anything they currently have. If they take a QB in the 2nd (don't think they take Claussen with #1), he can sit and learn (not from Vick) for a year or two. Who knows, Vick may magically develop accuracy and be a longer term fixture.
My 2 cents anyway............
derringer007
"Its An Outrage"
IMO McNabb wont be in Philly next season and Kolb will get the starting gig, cant see the Cards passing on McNabb and wasting a ton of talented WR's
as a 49er fan i really doubt McNabb comes here.
we finally get some continuity with smith at the OC position, he KNOWS he will be starting QB in the offseason, he won't have any injuries, and he will actually have a young nucleus to build around (crabtree, vernon, morgan, gore).
this is the make or break season for smith. if he succeeds, then we're geniuses for giving him another chance. if he fails, he's gone.
i actually think mcnabb might stay, but i can't be sure. i guess since basically their 2 backups are projected to go elsewhere, that screws them over
we finally get some continuity with smith at the OC position, he KNOWS he will be starting QB in the offseason, he won't have any injuries, and he will actually have a young nucleus to build around (crabtree, vernon, morgan, gore).
this is the make or break season for smith. if he succeeds, then we're geniuses for giving him another chance. if he fails, he's gone.
i actually think mcnabb might stay, but i can't be sure. i guess since basically their 2 backups are projected to go elsewhere, that screws them over
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Lanigiro
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As a member of the 49er Empire myself, I agree with you on this. Not saying I wouldn't like McNabb, but I think Smith being under the same OC for a little while is exactly what he needs. I just hope McNabb doesn't end up a Card, would hate to have to see him throwing to Fitz twice a year lol. And as far as Vick to the Rams goes, I hope he does. Because I would love to watch the 49ers D smash him into the ground twice a year.
efactor
Coming at you
This is the problem as far as I'm concerned, "make or break". As much as I would love to see Smith put it together, I have my doubts. His accuracy is hot and cold, which is a huge red flag and he still gets the "deer in the headlights" look too often for my tastes.
SF can win now if they get good QB play. If they commit to Smith and he sucks it up, it's another season wasted and unlike wasted seasons of the past, the one would be a wasted opportunity. McNabb would give them a chance to win NOW without a huge cost (2nd rounder probably). Smith would make a great back up and another year or two on the bench wouldn't be a bad thing.
Probably won't happen so I hope Smith evolves into the next Aaron Rodgers, which means McNabb may end up in Arizona which makes them the division favorite again, although I think SF has a better team IF Smith comes through.
OKay, folks, lets stop the rumors.
First, yes rumors are flying about an extension for Kolb. So? Both Kolb and McNabb are on the last years of their contract. Also, just because they extend Kolb, does not mean they won't deal him.
Teams that have contacted Philly per multiple sources: Denver, Cleveland, Minnesota (very rumored though...), Buffalo. Of those teams...only Denver and Minny have a shot, as McNabb can deny the trade...since he will want and need an extension.
Rumors of Kolb being traded - yep there are multiple sources that have Kolb being the one traded to Cleveland, Buffalo or maybe even Seattle.
Vick - has been asked for by St. Louis, Buffalo and Cleveland and a few others. But no real deals have been talked from all i have read....as most think he gets cut.
Reality - One will be dealt. I think they keep McNabb, extend kolb and then deal Vick for an extra 4th round pick or so. They supposedly want a first rounder for McNabb...and I don't see anyone giving that much away.
First, yes rumors are flying about an extension for Kolb. So? Both Kolb and McNabb are on the last years of their contract. Also, just because they extend Kolb, does not mean they won't deal him.
Teams that have contacted Philly per multiple sources: Denver, Cleveland, Minnesota (very rumored though...), Buffalo. Of those teams...only Denver and Minny have a shot, as McNabb can deny the trade...since he will want and need an extension.
Rumors of Kolb being traded - yep there are multiple sources that have Kolb being the one traded to Cleveland, Buffalo or maybe even Seattle.
Vick - has been asked for by St. Louis, Buffalo and Cleveland and a few others. But no real deals have been talked from all i have read....as most think he gets cut.
Reality - One will be dealt. I think they keep McNabb, extend kolb and then deal Vick for an extra 4th round pick or so. They supposedly want a first rounder for McNabb...and I don't see anyone giving that much away.
look at that, the guy we COULD have drafted #1... from the bay area nonetheless!
i really feel that the story of alex smith is ignored by people because it just seems so... improbable. it's almost like his story is one of those things where everything that COULD have gone wrong DID go wrong, and people just can't believe it
2005: drafted by the worst team in the NFL and thrown under center from the start, unline a QB like aaron rodgers who got to sit behind BRETT FAVRE
2006: a new OC (norv turner) and had a good season, going from 1-11 TD-INT to 16-16, 2,890 yards and a 74.8 quarterback rating
2007: ANOTHER OC and was forced to play injured for 3 games with a shoulder separation
2008: went into the offseason competing with shaun hill and JTOturnover and missed the entire season with shoulder injury
2009: went into the offseason again battling for the starting job as a result of the shoulder injury... doesn't have crabtree to throw to, doesn't get all the reps. gets unfair loss on his record for being thrown into the texans game down 21 and almost leading a comeback. shows some progress by season's end. NOT TO MENTION THE ABSOLUTE WORST OFFENSIVE LINE IN THE NFL
yes, i am an alex smith apologist. i make alexcuses for him. but even i know that this next season is make-or-break. yes efactor, i know that it will be a wasted season if he fails. but the eagles will likely want a first rounder for mcnabb, a pick we can use to grab a RT.
at this point, i really don't care about risking another season with alex smith. we have nate davis in the wings. shaun hill is a formidable backup. if alex doesn't pan out, then he doesn't pan out. if he can't succeed with a younger offense like this, when before he had to use brandon lloyd and kevan barlow, then he's done
efactor
Coming at you
I have a firm grasp of the challenges that Smith has faced. However, I am not OK with wasting 2010 if he doesn't step up. They have a talented core of players and two picks in the top half of the draft. They play in a weak division. Time to win is now. If McNabb is available for a 2nd (no way Philly gets a first for him), make the move. If not, then move forward with Smith and cross your fingers. I like Nate Davis in the small sample size we have. He seems to have "it" and the game is in slow motion for him (no pun intended on learning disorder). However, he needs a couple years of development.
The window of opportunity can close very quickly in the NFL through injury or bad management decisions. Win now.........
The window of opportunity can close very quickly in the NFL through injury or bad management decisions. Win now.........
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Birdman
Ready For Some Football
It's too early to say at this point what will happen with McNabb.
The argument for keeping McNabb would be this: Give him another year with this young players (Jackson, Celek, Maclin, McCoy etc.) because you'll have had more time to gel and the offense on the whole is very good with McNabb at QB.
The argument for trading McNabb would be: He's on a one year deal and you'd have to extend him or risk letting him walk for nothing. If you believe that McNabb isn't the competitor that can win you the big game you trade him now for solid value and then rebuild with Kolb and the young nucleus.
A lot of things to consider... For example, we don't know what agreements were made between the Eagles and Donovan last year when they gave him more money on his existing 2 years. There is also the possibility that the Eagles trade Kolb and extend McNabb. I've heard that more of the calls they get are inquiring about Kolb rather than Donovan. It's really up in the air right now.
The argument for keeping McNabb would be this: Give him another year with this young players (Jackson, Celek, Maclin, McCoy etc.) because you'll have had more time to gel and the offense on the whole is very good with McNabb at QB.
The argument for trading McNabb would be: He's on a one year deal and you'd have to extend him or risk letting him walk for nothing. If you believe that McNabb isn't the competitor that can win you the big game you trade him now for solid value and then rebuild with Kolb and the young nucleus.
A lot of things to consider... For example, we don't know what agreements were made between the Eagles and Donovan last year when they gave him more money on his existing 2 years. There is also the possibility that the Eagles trade Kolb and extend McNabb. I've heard that more of the calls they get are inquiring about Kolb rather than Donovan. It's really up in the air right now.
Here's an interesting point. I doubt any promises were made. I say that because had they made any...I think they already would have done something just to keep McNabb happy. My guess is....the raise without extension was done so McNabb has some power to control trades. No one will trade for him JUST for the one year. They will want to extend him some. Thus if a deal is made with a team he doesn't like...he won't extend and deal will be dead. Still....makes one think don't it?
I too have heard alot of teams are inquiring for Kolb. I can understand it...as why not take the younger guy with less miles? But I can't see philly walking away from this kid after all the time and money put in. But then again...it may be a situation where they will take the best offer...regardless of who is dealt. dunno:
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conan35
All the talk about trading within your conference is a joke, you make the best trade you can and move on.
Eagles go into the offseason with Donovan McNabb (33 years old) /Kevin Kolb (25 years old) /Michael Vick (29 years old) at quarterback. Who needs all three, it would be nice to have, but that is a fantasy. Can we get a 1st round pick for any of these guys, maybe, but really the Eagles have a lot of spots that need help.
Could we send McNabb to Arizona, for a first and Antrel Rolle? That would be great, but I think a better deal would be to send McNabb (33), and Chris Gocong (26) to Arizona, for Antrel Rolle (27 years old / FS), Karlos Dansby(28 years old /ILB), Lyle Sendlein ( 25 years old/ C) and a couple of second rounder’s.
St. Louis Rams need a QB, will they give up their first round pick, I would not! But the Eagles could ask for Oshiomogho Atogwe, (28 years old/ FS) and David Vobora (23 years old/ OLB).
Let’s fill some other holes, with a McNabb trade.
Eagles go into the offseason with Donovan McNabb (33 years old) /Kevin Kolb (25 years old) /Michael Vick (29 years old) at quarterback. Who needs all three, it would be nice to have, but that is a fantasy. Can we get a 1st round pick for any of these guys, maybe, but really the Eagles have a lot of spots that need help.
Could we send McNabb to Arizona, for a first and Antrel Rolle? That would be great, but I think a better deal would be to send McNabb (33), and Chris Gocong (26) to Arizona, for Antrel Rolle (27 years old / FS), Karlos Dansby(28 years old /ILB), Lyle Sendlein ( 25 years old/ C) and a couple of second rounder’s.
St. Louis Rams need a QB, will they give up their first round pick, I would not! But the Eagles could ask for Oshiomogho Atogwe, (28 years old/ FS) and David Vobora (23 years old/ OLB).
Let’s fill some other holes, with a McNabb trade.
Great thoughts...but if you get a first for McNabb, you are damn lucky. You won't get more than that. Now a 2nd rounder and a player...maybe, but i doubt it.
See, here is the thing. Eagles could let this go a year. Year is uncapped, so no issues. Then if cap is fixed after that...then McNabb and Vick and a whole lot of cap dollars are gone...and they can tag or resign Kolb. They don't have to do a deal folks, they can wait for the maximum.
They literally can't lose here.
storminn0rm
Brewmaster
(Rotoworld) Eagles beat writer Les Bowen said in an online chat Monday that he considers the team unlikely to trade Donovan McNabb this offseason. Analysis: Bowen believes a McNabb deal "would require a first-round pick, possibly more," and adds that Mike Vick is far more likely to be traded. "They might have to pay his $1.5 million roster bonus first, to prove they aren't going to release him for nothing," Bowen says of Vick. The bonus is due March 5th.
WesDawg
'Burghapologist
Seems to be a popular rumor and perfect fit.. especially considering it's a baseball town and Tony LaRussa runs an extremely well-known and well-established charity there..
ARF - Tony La Russa's Animal Rescue Foundation
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storminn0rm
Brewmaster
(KFFL) Geoff Mosher, of The News Journal, reports Philadelphia Eagles head coach Andy Reid said Tuesday, Feb. 23, that QB Donovan McNabb will remain with the team next season. When Reid was asked about the state of leadership on offense following the release of RB Brian Westbrook, Reid replied, "Well, Donovan is obviously here," in reference to McNabb. Reid's comment about McNabb is his third major vouching for the veteran quarterback since the end of the season.
Yeah, I have a feeling that they will keep McNabb now. They will not extend him either. This will be a transition year for them. If the offense sucks, they will let McNabb walk, and let him be the scapegoat.
Personally, I wish they would just cut bait. Let Kolb take over, with Jackson, Maclin, Celek and McCoy and see what you really have. THEN you can plan for the future.
But for whatever reason, Reid seems attached to McNabb.
Personally, I wish they would just cut bait. Let Kolb take over, with Jackson, Maclin, Celek and McCoy and see what you really have. THEN you can plan for the future.
But for whatever reason, Reid seems attached to McNabb.