Ohio State QB Pryor, RB Herron, others suspended 5 games for NCAA Violations

Sgt John

Sith Lord of T&A
COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Welcome to Tattoo U.

What started out as a trip to a Columbus tattoo parlor by a couple of football players has created all sorts of mayhem for star quarterback Terrelle Pryor and Ohio State.

Pryor and four teammates were suspended Thursday by the NCAA for the first five games of next season for selling championship rings, jerseys and awards. They also received improper benefits -- from up to two years ago -- from the tattoo parlor and its owner.

"I learned more about tattoos than I ever really want to possibly know," athletic director Gene Smith said. "As a student-athlete, you're not allowed to use your persona to get discounted services."

The NCAA said all can still play in the Sugar Bowl against Arkansas on Jan. 4. Ohio State's first five games next season are against Akron, Toledo, Miami, Colorado and Michigan State. Ohio State plans to appeal, hoping the number of games might be reduced.

Tattoos can run anywhere from $50 to hundreds or even thousands of dollars. Many college athletes have more than one. Pryor certainly does. One arm alone is covered from his biceps to his wrist.

"I paid for my tattoos. Go Bucks," Pryor posted on his Twitter account Wednesday night.

He even sold a sportsmanship award from the 2008 Fiesta Bowl along with his 2008 Big Ten championship ring. More egregious to Ohio State fans, he sold a "gold pants" trinket -- an iconic charm given to players who are a part of a victory over archrival Michigan. He may not be easily forgiven by Buckeye fans who revere such traditions.

His teammates also sold Big Ten championship rings -- the Buckeyes have won the last six conference titles -- plus football jerseys, pants and shoes.

Along with Pryor, leading rusher Dan Herron, No. 2 wide receiver DeVier Posey, All-Big Ten offensive tackle Mike Adams and backup defensive end Solomon Thomas must sit out the five games.

Pryor must repay $2,500 for selling his 2008 Big Ten championship ring, a 2009 Fiesta Bowl sportsmanship award and his 2008 Gold Pants.

Herron must repay $1,150 for selling his football jersey, pants and shoes for $1,000 and receiving discounted services worth $150.

Posey must repay $1,250 for selling his 2008 Big Ten championship ring for $1,200 and receiving discounted services worth $50.

Adams must repay $1,000 for selling his 2008 Big Ten championship ring.

Thomas must repay $1,505 for selling his 2008 Big Ten championship ring for $1,000, his 2008 Gold Pants for $350 and receiving discounted services worth $155.

A sixth player, freshman linebacker Jordan Whiting, must sit out the first game of the 2011 season and pay $150 to a charity.

Smith said the punishment should be mitigated because of how the players used the money they received.

"The time this occurred with these young men was a very tough time in our society. It's one of the toughest economic environments in our history," he said. "The decisions that they made they made to help their families."

Smith was asked how getting money for their families jibed with getting free or cut-rate tattoos.

"The discount on tattoos is not as big as the other pieces," he said. "I'm not trying to make those two the same. But the cash was relative to family needs."

Pryor's high school coach, Ray Reitz, told ESPN's Joe Schad that Pryor sold items because "he wanted to help his mother."

"It was about family," Reitz said. "Sometimes when you're young you don't realize the ramifications."

The Associated Press left several phone messages at what is believed to be the tattoo parlor in question. Smith, coach Jim Tressel and the NCAA did not provide its name because it is part of an ongoing federal investigation.

"We all have a little sensor within us, 'Well, I'm not sure if I should be doing this," Tressel said. "And sometimes it gets overrided by what you think your necessity is. ... I would have to think that there was no way that they just thought that [selling items] would be common practice."

After the bowl game, all five may have to make decisions about whether they'll come back for a shortened senior season or enter the NFL draft. Tressel acknowledges their decisions could be influenced by the NFL's uncertain labor situation.

"I'm not sure this would be the most advantageous time to have a job interview [with the NFL]," he said.

The NCAA did not suspend the players for Jan. 4 Sugar Bowl against the Razorbacks because they "did not receive adequate rules education during the time period the violations occurred."

"These are significant penalties based on findings and information provided by the university," Kevin Lennon, NCAA vice president of academic and membership affairs, said in a statement.

Lennon said a game was added to the usual four-game penalty because the players did not "immediately disclose the violations when presented with the appropriate rules education."

There are seven full-time staffers and two interns in Ohio State's compliance department. Smith said they were complicit in the violations because they didn't make it "explicit" to players they weren't permitted to receive such benefits.

Smith and Tressel said they were relieved the players can play in the Sugar Bowl in New Orleans. The NCAA said its policy allows players to participate in a championship or bowl game if they were "not aware they were committing violations."

"We respect the decision made by the NCAA and the Big Ten Conference and we appreciate the efforts made by Ohio State and the Big Ten to allow the student-athletes to participate in our game," Sugar Bowl CEO Paul Hoolahan said.

As Smith and Tressel left Thursday's news conference, Smith tried to lighten the mood.

"We might," he said with a smile, "hire a tattoo person and put them in the Woody Hayes [Athletic Center]."
 

Sgt John

Sith Lord of T&A
Ok. I think this shit is a little over the top with the NCAA.

Now that said, why are they all eligible for the BCS game? AJ Green got busted this year and had to sit immediately.
 

MongerKhan

TXL: Pimp Hand Strong
Staff member
Moderator
because if they took out pryor for a bcs game it would lose some value...there in proves the point again that if it is detrimental to the money they stand to make they will push it off till a later date
 

Cerberus

In Dog We Trust
They shouldn't be allowed to play in the bowl game. NCAA is getting out of hand, they sit the LSU RB for his bowl game but let these 5 play. And funny thing is , if they all decide to go into the NFL early, then they get away with no punishment at all except the little fine.
 

Miller

Who Dey
Administrator
I'm not saying that they shouldn't be sitting for the Sugar since they are suspended....but the whole thing is bull shit! They sold their own shit! What the hell is wrong with that....now I question why they are selling that stuff, but still, their own shit....

Guess they should have just had their father's sell the stuff for them and there would have been no problem....

The fact that Cam Newton is playing football with no suspension and these guys get popped for this mickey mouse bull shit makes me sick.....growing sick and tired of the inconsistencies of the NCAA.
 

MongerKhan

TXL: Pimp Hand Strong
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They are selling it because they are broke. A NCAA scholarship player is not allowed to have a job from what i heard.
 

MongerKhan

TXL: Pimp Hand Strong
Staff member
Moderator
As a result of a recent NCAA ruling, college athletes attending school on full scholarships may now earn up to $2000 by working during the school year.

"We said we were going to do it, and we're doing it," Kenneth Shaw, chairman of the NCAA Board of Regents, said. "It's a good first step. ... We should consider this work in progress."

The bill, passed originally last year under the name Proposition 62, also permits athletic department officials and boosters to help athletes find work. However, it prohibits athletes from working within the athletic department. Athletes could work in other areas of a university, such as intramurals, except for freshmen, who will be totally prohibited from working.

Support for the proposal is far from unanimous, however. Several university coaches and administrators fear abuses and recruiting advantages. Tom Asbury, the basketball coach at Kansas State, has even been quoted as saying it will "be a disaster." Supporters, however, argue that athletes are just being allowed to do what regular students can do.

"It's only going to be a disaster if coaches and athletic directors make it a disaster," Bridget Niland, chair of the NCAA Student-Athlete Advisory Committee, told reporters. "You are not going to see every student-athlete going out and looking for a job. My hope is this won't be the issue people are trying to make it out to be."

Originally proposed in 1995, Proposition 62 was withdrawn at that convention and was defeated a year later. It passed in January of 1997, but pressure from football and basketball powers over possible inequities in the amounts athletes would be allowed to earn forced the NCAA to table the issue for an entire year. Students on partial scholarships have always been allowed to hold jobs.

The original rule allowed athletes to earn up to the cost of attendance at a particular school, factoring in cost of living and other expenses that could have made the figure larger at certain schools. After the revision, however, the most significant change in this legislation is the limit of $2,000.

Was there any chance the proposal could have failed?

"I think everybody would have been really surprised," said Janet Justus, who serves as the Director of Education Outreach and liaison with the Student-Athlete Advisory Committee, a driving force in the legislation, "It's been so discussed, maybe more discussed than any legislation in NCAA history."

Athletes on full scholarship had previously been prohibited from working during the season mainly because of time demands.

"I think that very few full-scholarship athletes have the time to work," said Shaw. "They have a pretty long week.

"I generally tell full-scholarship athletes when I talk with them that with the academic demands and the athletic demands there's not a lot of time for anything else. If you think you're going to have a lot of time for a social life and you find out you don't and feel sorry for yourself, you have to understand going in what are the expectations for yourself and from the university."

Full Scholarship Student-Athletes
Full scholarship student-athletes who have met the above criteria may earn $2,000 gross during any academic year and are prohibited from working for the Department of Athletics or in athletics facilities. You may work for the institutionís recreational sports unit.

Partial Scholarship Student-Athletes

Partial scholarship student-athletes who have met the above criteria may earn up to $2,000 gross in combination with other financial aid included in their individual limit up to the value of a full grant. You may work for the institutionís recreational sports unit.

Entering Freshmen and
First-Year Transfer Student-Athletes

All entering freshmen and first-year transfer student-athletes may receive legitimate employment earnings during the academic year in combination with other financial aid included in the student-athleteís limit only up to the value of a full grant-in-aid. You may work for the institutionís recreational sports unit.

ok sorry...they can work but 2000 dollars for a whole year is ridiculous. No way a college kid can live off that much in a year..if you take 2000 and divide it by 12 you get $166.66 a month...the cheapest penny pinching person couldn't live off that for a month.
 

Miller

Who Dey
Administrator
Let's not paint them all as poor athletes either....tuition, books, room and board and MEALS are all paid for. So as far as "living"......that is taken care of. I think they should be able to hawk their shit if they want, but all college kids are broke, that's part of college. But all college kids don't have all their expense and meals picked up either.

I think the NCAA ruling here is inconsistent and extreme on many fronts. The rule is also simply bullshit.
 

Sgt John

Sith Lord of T&A
I agree with everything thats been said, and I again want to state I think its a shit rule.

If what Ive read is true, some of these young men solid this stuff to help their family. I really think rules of eligibility should be decided by an organization independant of the NCAA. Let them run the sports and whatnot, but its clear their is a bias when it comes to enforcement.
 

Bucknut

Well-Known Member
I'm not saying that they shouldn't be sitting for the Sugar since they are suspended....but the whole thing is bull shit! They sold their own shit! What the hell is wrong with that....now I question why they are selling that stuff, but still, their own shit....

I see what you're saying, but I think the issue isn't that they sold their possesions - but that they profited off of their status as a student/athlete.

If they had sold the pants at face value (ie, whatever they are worth if you or I were to sell them - probabaly around $100) they wouldn't have gotten into any trouble. But they sold them for thousands because people wanted them because they belonged to an Ohio State football player.

Agree 100% about Newton though, that's BS.
 

storminn0rm

Brewmaster
The NCAA is all about money. They have different rules for different schools and conferences. I am sick of all this BS from the NCAA this year. I love college football. But it is getting really hard to watch now because of this corrupt, inept governing body called the NCAA.
 

xqj47alpha

Banned
Pardon my French but it's indentured servitude if not outright slavery.

The football player must, MUST, play college ball after high school in order to be considered by the NFL.

Plus, they are subject to being whipped by their masters as their masters see fit.
 

Miller

Who Dey
Administrator
I think that is a poor analogy. Doctor's must, MUST, get a doctorate degree in order to be considered a doctor.....Lawyer's must, MUST go to law school in order to practice law.

Playing college ball is something they do to prepare themselves for a JOB in the NFL. That is what it is, it's a job that you go to college for.

The whipped comment just does not make much sense at all and is one I am assuming you made to try to get a rise out of someone.....

Anyways, not sure what that has to do with the topic at hand, but the issue isn't playing college football, it's the inconsistencies that the NCAA uses to govern the sport.
 

xqj47alpha

Banned
you're kidding, right?
most, MOST, players who move on to the NFL, need to return to school to get their degree. Usually it's a big news story when they do.
but ok. i'll bow down and retract my statement.
Doctors get their degrees in college and that's basically the same thing NFL players do in college.
btw, when is the M.D. or PhD. Bowl televised?

as for the whipped comment, i think it's clear the punishment is unjust and insincere.
I think that is a poor analogy. Doctor's must, MUST, get a doctorate degree in order to be considered a doctor.....Lawyer's must, MUST go to law school in order to practice law.

Playing college ball is something they do to prepare themselves for a JOB in the NFL. That is what it is, it's a job that you go to college for.

The whipped comment just does not make much sense at all and is one I am assuming you made to try to get a rise out of someone.....

Anyways, not sure what that has to do with the topic at hand, but the issue isn't playing college football, it's the inconsistencies that the NCAA uses to govern the sport.
 

Miller

Who Dey
Administrator
ok....what's the point? You compared college football players to slaves b/c the MUST play college football....boo hoo....again....MOST professionals of many different walks MUST go to college to prepare for their career.....are they slaves as well?

Just a piss poor analogy IMO, and one that I feel was likely made simply to try to make an outrageous comment. And again, still not sure what it has to do with the topic at hand.

And actually, your original statement is not factually correct either. A player does not HAVE to play college ball after HS to be considered by the NFL, they just simply have to be 3 years removed from HS.
 

xqj47alpha

Banned
ok, you win. i wasn't trying to be outrageous. i don't think i was. maybe i was.
the point is the money the colleges make from the bowl games. and how unethical those in charge are.

sure, you could sit out and wait three years, maybe two if you go to a prep school. but that red flags a player.

I'm not trying to play a racial card of any kind. i'm trying to play a money card.
but i withdraw.
i had no intent to make this a racial matter or try to instigate any kind of nonsense.
ok....what's the point? You compared college football players to slaves b/c the MUST play college football....boo hoo....again....MOST professionals of many different walks MUST go to college to prepare for their career.....are they slaves as well?

Just a piss poor analogy IMO, and one that I feel was likely made simply to try to make an outrageous comment. And again, still not sure what it has to do with the topic at hand.

And actually, your original statement is not factually correct either. A player does not HAVE to play college ball after HS to be considered by the NFL, they just simply have to be 3 years removed from HS.
 
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