It Shouldn't Really Matter, But....

cctekguy

Staff member
I hate having a player play on Thursday night but I love having a player play on Monday Night.

Dunno what it is but my Thurs. entries never seem to do as well as my Mon. entries.

Is it a reflection of a player's short rest on Thurs. vs longer rest on Mon?

T games always seem to be slow moving and low scoring while the M games are always wide open and exciting.

I can't find any data to support this notion but I know I'd rather be behind after Sunday with a guy left to go than to be ahead on Sunday with 1 less player yet to play.
 

gizzil

Well-Known Member
There is actually some data here, tek... I will dig up the actual numbers, but the short rest and not as much time for gameplanning MOST DEFINITELY takes its toll on TNF. I was pretty excited to learn that TNF was all year long. Now I absolutley hate it because some dudes way underperform and some overperform and some keep their normal lines... you almost have to look at the teams and what you expect from their coaching staff and soforth. For instance, I played wallace but sat washington. Or when the giants played and blasted the panthers - every giant went outta his mind, every panther had their worst game to date...
 

gizzil

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Some quick ones but i know there are more:

1) All 5 TNF games have fallen UNDER the total over/under line, including the giants snapping and the ogletree vs 5th string corner tryon
2) The under in TNF games (including some wed, etc) is 176-142-8 in all Thursday games from 1978-2012
3) Since 2008, home teams in TNF games are 19-10... since 2010, home teams are 16-5. The travel, and the short week (on the body, on planning) are a BRUTAL combination - just ask the steelers

So, so far, we are mostly finding betting trends - if you are wagering on TNF, go with the under, and most definitely a home dog, but likely the home team in general. For fantasy purposes, a good matchup for a STUD or a decent home matchup for a really good player is probably straight. Anyone slightly sketchy, putting up surprising numbers previous (brandon lafell, cleveland roster) or just not a super strong play or on the road, especially after a rough game and most especially having weaker coaching minds... you gotta sit. It is also telling us that at least one team, if not both, is going to likely grossly under perform on offense. So, a strong DEF play in a TNF game could be gold, but an iffy offensive play is made even more daunting.

Now the way you perceive it isn't the worst way either. It's like having last ups in the bottom of the ninth. Sure, you may stick in the top of the first, or so you think, but theres still a lot of "game" to be played. Each week plays out differently. Maybe it's a huge week for rushing, but your guy went thu night and had a decent game - then everybody else goes berserk sunday - you blew your wad early. On the other hand, you know what your opponent has scored and precisely what you need to get in order to win on MNF. Also, the team your player is on has had extra rest for their bodies, their gameplans, and their peace of mind in general. Also, they KNOW everyone's watching them in the most primetime of spots. Thu night doesn't get great games (who the **** in the league office thought cards/rams was a primetime matchup - fire that guy, hire me), not everybody has NFLN (poor coach), the broadcast id dog****, and anyone who works a regular schedule is probably passed out midway through. Even other players have to still worry about their own injuries, Friday practice, etc. I think you're totally right here. And I am starting to adjust my lineups accordingly. I'd rather bench a guy that's somewhat iffy on thu night and he does well than play him and get a 1, 0, 3, or whatever bull****. I would strongly encourage erring on the side of the bench thursday, that's for sure.
 
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Coachnorm

Moderator
Love the stat work. Gizzil !

I just seems to work that way for me too!

I started two Thursday night players in a money league this week. Used up two starters and have an 8.10 lead. :rolleyes:
 

Arctic Dawgs

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We have Seattle @ 49ers this week. No marquis offensive players other than Lynch & Gore anyways, but 2 of the top Defensive teams going head to head in an important divisional matchup. Seattle is coming off a huge win over the Patriots while SF was just embarressed by the Giants. On a side note, Seattle is 0 - 2 in the div so far with both losses coming on the road. Both teams will really need this game for playoff tiebreaker

The over/under for this game should probably set at around 17 pts
 

gizzil

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despite my previous statement, if it's 17, you should go over. After last week, and knowing the seahawks' home/road tendancies... I'm going SF in a big way. Definitely starting SF defense... wilson may find the niners d and pats d are two different species. And whatever it is about the hawks... they really suck on the road... and really step up at home
 

cctekguy

Staff member
Ugh.

Got Martin and V.Jax going tonight. My opponent has Gore on Monday night.

I feel like I've lost this week before it even starts.
 

Miller

Who Dey
Administrator
I was kinda worried about AP and Harvin for me tonight with all this Thursday Nt talk......looks like not only Martin is having a great game....AP is in on the action with 123 and a TD....Harvin is in the endzone again and Josh Freeman is tearing it up with 3 TD's. Only real fantasy disappointment so far is Jackson.
 

cctekguy

Staff member
I'm tickled pink with the points from T-day. Martin, anyway, but he scored enough to cover Jackson on a points per player average. (39 from one player is outstanding but 45 from two is still pretty dang good)

There is still that phenomenon of trying to hold on to a lead through Sunday's game and still be far enough ahead that it doesn't get pulled from you on Monday.

It'll take 4 days to find out.....another reason not to like Thursday games.
 

cctekguy

Staff member
I was kinda worried about AP and Harvin for me tonight with all this Thursday Nt talk......


If there is nothing to it, then why were you worried? :tongue:


Seriously, we know facts is facts, and games are games, and outcomes will be the same whether played on Sunday or Tuesday, at home or in London. I don't think anyone was trying to make a science out of it.

It's just one of those "Madden Curse" type deals where it seems like the early scoring is never enough and you end up white knuckling your chair on Monday.

That "YTP" number is always disturbing to me, but comforting when I have the YTP advantage.
 

gizzil

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The home team in TNF this year is 6-2. That's a fact. And carolina is a bunch of bojos... so you can toss that one - The "under" on TNF is 6-2 over the "over" - also fact...
 
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Coachnorm

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Warning: The following is a Fanatsy Football cliche.

As soon as you think you know what you are doing the NFL will quickly prove you wrong.
 
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Miller

Who Dey
Administrator
The home team in TNF this year is 6-2. That's a fact. And carolina is a bunch of bojos... so you can toss that one - The "under" on TNF is 6-2 over the "over" - also fact...
I'm only talking about this from a fantasy perspective, not the gambling pov.
 
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