Give Sarge Your Opinion: Eddie Royal
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Remote Controller
Well-Known Member
Lacks the qb to fit the ball thru the tight windows which makes him 2 steps slower. He is a VERY weak #2 Wr or a servicable #3.
WesDawg
'Burghapologist
These guys aren't gonna chuck the ball around now that Cutler's out and Orton and Moreno are in. Brandon Marshall will remain the boss hog WR until he beats up another baby mama, TE Tony Scheffler and the RB's will see more action because Orton isn't traditionally much of a downfield passer. That leaves Royal as the odd man out. I like his ability just fine, but he's simply a victim of circumstance.
I'd be drafting him at the point that I'm looking for a matchup flex-type player. I wouldn't be getting him though since I'm in the minority on his 2009 assessment and he'll be drafted before I feel comfy taking him.
I'd be drafting him at the point that I'm looking for a matchup flex-type player. I wouldn't be getting him though since I'm in the minority on his 2009 assessment and he'll be drafted before I feel comfy taking him.
Remote Controller
Well-Known Member
I can buy the upside #3.
Little Big Head
Jetsfan4life
Eddie Royal will be a top 10 WR by the end of 09. I think he will have around 100 receptions, 1100yds, and 6 TDs. Way too many people thinking Cutlers departure is the end of Royals production. Mcdaniels system saw Welker go for consecutive 100+ reception years, and I think they use Royal the same way. Royal is a more polished route runner and better pass catcher than Marshall already. Orton doesnt need to be Cutler for Royal to improve on his 08 season as I think the system and Royals talent outweighs the QB change. Royal was the strongest WR at the 08 scouting combine, and was drafted by Shannahan to be a weapon in the return game(which he was early last year) but he quickly showed that he had what it took to be a starting WR right out of the gate. How many receptions did he have last year in what was essentially 14 games? Yeah a lot. So lets see....Very fast, runs good routes, has good hands, coming off a very productive rookie year, in a great system. Please tell me what im missing. Ok Denver might not throw as much as they did last year, but I bet they throw to Royal as much as they did last year. His ADP on MFL for real PPR drafts was at 4.11 the last time i looked and I think thats a good value for him.
Remote Controller
Well-Known Member
Orton is the problem, not Royal. Orton will noy allow Royal to be a top 10 WR ever, in my opinion. Orton can find Marshall, but can't put the ball where Royal is, or is gonna be.
Little Big Head
Jetsfan4life
I think youre giving Cutler too much credit and underestimating Orton. Good WRs get their share. Look at Calvin last year or Roddy White in 07. ill put 90 rec 900yds and 6 TDs or equal production in PPR as a baseline in production. Care for a sig bet on that?
How do you know he can find Marshall and not Royal? I think Royal is a better WR than Marshall is right now
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I think your numbers are high. However, I do think Royal becomes Welker West. I think high 80s to mid 90s in receptions. Close to 1000yds receiving is very doable. If Marshall can stay out of trouble, and keep the double teams...it could edge higher for royal.
For all of you who dog Orton.....are we assuming Cassell is better? Most of us here feel Cassell was a system and tool product. The receivers Denver has are very compatible talent wise to NE, add now the system...and I think you can rebuild Orton. Add in a better running game in Denver (due to talent) than NE...and I get higher on Orton.
I think Royal is a clear #2 wr, bordering on #1. Look for him round 3 in draft...or you won't get him.
I have no faith in Orton at all and for that reason think Royal's numbers will fall.
Little Big Head
Jetsfan4life
for all of you that are completely dismissing Orton....He has a record of 21-12, threw for about 3000yds 18TDs/12ints in 15 games last year. The Chicago passing game is more consevative than Mcdaniels system. Hes only 26 and has much better recieving options than he had in Chicago. Eddie Royal will get his
The Ram
Half Man, Half Amazing
Freaking love him. My 5 year old could be the qb and I'd still freaking love the kid (and my 5 year old may be able to throw the deep out better than Orton).
He's got the perfect combo of talent and work ethic. The kid put in the hours this off season and is a gym rat learning Doogie's system. He will be in the top 15 and likely the top 10 in PPR this season.
He's got the perfect combo of talent and work ethic. The kid put in the hours this off season and is a gym rat learning Doogie's system. He will be in the top 15 and likely the top 10 in PPR this season.
WesDawg
'Burghapologist
That makes him a perfectly serviceable "real-life" QB. Unfortunately, intangibles aren't normally counting statistics in most FF leagues. Royal will not sniff 90 catches simply because Orton (or Simms) will not be throwing 616 passes this season. That's how many Cutler threw last year. To add context, the Colts (Manning/Sorgi) only attempted 585, New England only attempted 527, and Drew Brees only attempted 19 more than Cutler.
And I can't even take a one year sample size and say Royal is already better than Marshall. Anyone remember Michael Clayton?
Little Big Head
Jetsfan4life
right. NE attempted 527 and how many receptions did Welker have? Again, youre underestimating Royal, the system, and to a lesser extent the QB. JMO, of course
on the sample size....Clayton never passed the eyeball test for me, Royal does with absolute conviction
WesDawg
'Burghapologist
6'4", 215 with good hands, crisp route running and just enough speed didn't make you think Clayton had staying power? I was drinking that Kool-Aid straight from the top of Kool's big dumb head right before he crashed through the wall of my living room. I refer to him (Clayton) often when analyzing 2nd year WR's who excelled as rookies as a cautionary tale.
I stated earlier that I think very highly of Royal's skillset, and I actually do think Orton is solid in a game manager role. There's just too much stacked against Royal due to the offseason changes to allow for the volume of passes to come his way that would enable him to repeat last year's stats.
I stated earlier that I think very highly of Royal's skillset, and I actually do think Orton is solid in a game manager role. There's just too much stacked against Royal due to the offseason changes to allow for the volume of passes to come his way that would enable him to repeat last year's stats.
Little Big Head
Jetsfan4life
I see the everything stacked for him, not against him.
Yes i didnt think Clayton was that good despite the numbers his rookie year. He looked slow to me, and i dont really agree about the "crisp" route running either. For every Clayton that had a sophmore slump theres a Colston who didnt
ExperiencedRookie
Well-Known Member
Royal is a different WR and in a much different situation than both of those guys.
Cal and Roddy are true #1 and more like Marshall than Royal.
Uh, in case you haven't noticed.............Marshall is coming off Hip surgery, threatening holding out....oh and still facing suspension if he gets any penalty from his upcoming trial.
Go Royal....go very early!
chrisslabaugh
:dunno:
Hey Phic. Remember when you had Eddie Royal last year in SUDFFL. And then you dropped him. And then I picked him up. And then I won the championship.
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WesDawg
'Burghapologist
What the hell, I've always wanted to be a guide in Maine. Beautiful state.
Name your terms. I say 90 catches is a pipe dream, 900 yds "may" be attainable, and I'm not buying 6 receiving TD's. This is as a WR only BTW, no ST TD's.
For the sake of the wager, how about this. 1 PPR, 1 pt/10 yds, 6 pts/TD?
Taking your baseline, that gives him 216 points. I'll take the under.
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