Dynasty help needed from the best of the Outlaws

[ExperiencedRookie]

Hey Outlaws!

Im about to start in the greatest league I've ever been in and I need your help so I don't suck!

Here is the league info. 12 teams, 21 man rosters, full dynasty with salary cap. We are doing an auction draft, and whatever price you pay for each player becomes his 3 year salary.
Starters are QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FLEX(RB/WR/TE), K, DEF.

Scoring is pretty standard. No PPR and 6 pt TDs for QBs

I have some pretty sound drafting strategy in mind, but I need you Outlaws to weigh in to help me.

First of all, I'm going to need some DEEP sleepers. The late stages of this draft are going to be filled with players that most drafts never even consider. You guys have some names of players who are buried on their depth chart that might come in handy?

Secondly, what do you guys think about the idea of drafting 2 good TEs and flexing one of them?

Any other strategical tips would be nice.

 

[Phicinfan]

Hey Outlaws!

Im about to start in the greatest league I've ever been in and I need your help so I don't suck!

Here is the league info. 12 teams, 21 man rosters, full dynasty with salary cap. We are doing an auction draft, and whatever price you pay for each player becomes his 3 year salary.
Starters are QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FLEX(RB/WR/TE), K, DEF.

Scoring is pretty standard. No PPR and 6 pt TDs for QBs

I have some pretty sound drafting strategy in mind, but I need you Outlaws to weigh in to help me.

First of all, I'm going to need some DEEP sleepers. The late stages of this draft are going to be filled with players that most drafts never even consider. You guys have some names of players who are buried on their depth chart that might come in handy?

Secondly, what do you guys think about the idea of drafting 2 good TEs and flexing one of them?

Any other strategical tips would be nice.

Gach! I have only done one auction draft, and never for dynasty.

First I would suggest you make a list of what key players you want, and budget what is the highest you will go.

Then start making choices on "bargains" depending on above choices.

For ex. you want two top Te's. If you spend Major $ getting Graham and or Gronk....you better be ready to sacrifice at Rb or Wr or Qb. Maybe look for rookies in those areas with promise like Hillman in Denver at Rb, or Lamar Miller at Rb for Miami.

With no PPR, you want to target big pull players that produce yards and tds. So the PPR studs like Amendola used to be may not be a great fit in this scoring.

Good Luck!!

 

[mudloggerone]

As far as sleepers go and Outlaw views, Miller started three threads on TE's, RB's, and WR's which had good response. Key in the words deep sleeper in the search box and they all three pop right up.

 

[chrisslabaugh]

If this is an auction where players are nominated for bidding by the owners then there can be some good strategies for spending other peoples money.

 

[deuce4321]

I have done exactly this before and this is how I did it and won the league year 1. I first put an approximate salary on every one of the roster spots. As I won players I adjusted values. This gives you a gameplan not to overspend on any one spot. Then you rank all your players. Make sure you don't underestimate veterans or overestimate rookies. Good luck. The most fun month or so I have had in my fantasy life.

 

[Miller]

I don't like the TE flex strategy myself without ppr. I would on the other hand get a top TE for sure in a 16 team league. I would also get a top QB in this size and type of league. Instead of a 2nd stud TE, go for some high upside guys for b/u.

sleepers:
QB: Locker - Will take over at some point if not right away. Running ability could make him a nice fantasy guy
RB: Isiah Pead - At some point he could take over. scoring system may not be the best here.
Hillis - not a sleeper, but in this scoring I like him more than most will
Dan Heron - Here is a deep guy who I like in this scoring long term. He is a min salary flyer that I'd consider stashing away.

WR: Leonard Hankerson - May be the most talented WR in Washington.
Jerome Simpson - price would need to be right. But could be a big play guy who is low on lists due to suspension.
Nate Washington - Like his value this year

TE: Jordan Cameron - Love this kids upside, basketball background
Ladarius Green - Future replacement of Gates, athletic freak, love his upside, you will need patience here though.

 

[mudloggerone]

Nice stuff as usual Miller.

 

[ExperiencedRookie]

I don't like the TE flex strategy myself without ppr. .

Finding a RB3 or a WR4 who will score more than a TE2 could be pretty tough. Plus, I figured that if I could get 2 guys like Graham and Pettigrew, thats 1 less starting TE for the rest of the league.

The #10 TE last year had roughly 770 yards and 5 TDs. Thats the equivelent of RB24 and WR33.

To be able to have a RB better than top 24 or WR better than top 33 in my flex that means that I have 2 other starting RBs that are also top 24 or 3 WRs that are all in the top 33 in my starting lineup already in order to make it work. It feels easier to find the #10 TE or better for my flex than to have 4 top 33 WRs or 3 top 24 RBs.

Does that makes sense? Maybe I'm crazy, and if I am, I'd like to get that figured out before the draft.

 

[ExperiencedRookie]

Thanks for the sleepers by the way. Very helpful stuff! Love it.

 

[ExperiencedRookie]

If this is an auction where players are nominated for bidding by the owners then there can be some good strategies for spending other peoples money.

This seems to be the norm in auction drafts. People rarely nominate a player that they actually want.

I'm curious about timing in auction drafts...especially for a dynasty. Take for instance Peyton Manning. He shouldnt be too many owners target QB because of age and injury concerns. If Peyton was put up for auction as the 6th player to come off the board, I cant imagine too many owners bidding for him, especially with all the super young stud QBs still available.

Thoughts?

 

[Miller]

Finding a RB3 or a WR4 who will score more than a TE2 could be pretty tough. Plus, I figured that if I could get 2 guys like Graham and Pettigrew, thats 1 less starting TE for the rest of the league.

The #10 TE last year had roughly 770 yards and 5 TDs. Thats the equivelent of RB24 and WR33.

To be able to have a RB better than top 24 or WR better than top 33 in my flex that means that I have 2 other starting RBs that are also top 24 or 3 WRs that are all in the top 33 in my starting lineup already in order to make it work. It feels easier to find the #10 TE or better for my flex than to have 4 top 33 WRs or 3 top 24 RBs.

Does that makes sense? Maybe I'm crazy, and if I am, I'd like to get that figured out before the draft.

But how high will you need to draft that #10 TE type to pull this off? You can find 700 and 5 WR guys throughout the draft and much later than the TE's IMO. Are you willing to spend 2 of your top 7 or 8 picks on TE's?

 

[Miller]

This seems to be the norm in auction drafts. People rarely nominate a player that they actually want.

I'm curious about timing in auction drafts...especially for a dynasty. Take for instance Peyton Manning. He shouldnt be too many owners target QB because of age and injury concerns. If Peyton was put up for auction as the 6th player to come off the board, I cant imagine too many owners bidding for him, especially with all the super young stud QBs still available.

Thoughts?

You would be more likely to be able to get a value play on a aging vet early than late IMO. I agree with your line of thinking.

 

[ExperiencedRookie]

But how high will you need to draft that #10 TE type to pull this off? You can find 700 and 5 WR guys throughout the draft and much later than the TE's IMO. Are you willing to spend 2 of your top 7 or 8 picks on TE's?

It's an auction draft though, so you cant really think about it in terms of "picks"

Your logic makes sense though. Tons of WRs score in the range that a TE10 will.

I still don't know though. TEs seem so much more reliable of a pick. I think it's hard to brick on a TE, but their ceiling is lower. However, since we're drafting 21 players each, there's no reason not to gamble on a ton of bust candidate WRs with higher ceilings and take a TE that seems more reliable.

Im probably just over thinking all of this, as per usual.

 

[Miller]

Sh!t ER, I knew that and forgot....sorry. OK, in an auction setting, how much of your cap are you willing to spend to make this happen? Makes it more doable, but it comes down to can you get that Pettigrew or Keller type TE at a similar price to a Nate Washington type WR. My thinking is the TE's in a 16 team league will go for more this season, but could be wrong. Comes down to the value you can get them at I guess.

I don't think your over thinking it at all, have to look at it from all angles to give yourself the best opportunity to win IMO.

It's an auction draft though, so you cant really think about it in terms of "picks"

Your logic makes sense though. Tons of WRs score in the range that a TE10 will.

I still don't know though. TEs seem so much more reliable of a pick. I think it's hard to brick on a TE, but their ceiling is lower. However, since we're drafting 21 players each, there's no reason not to gamble on a ton of bust candidate WRs with higher ceilings and take a TE that seems more reliable.

Im probably just over thinking all of this, as per usual.

 

[ExperiencedRookie]

My thinking is the TE's in a 16 team league will go for more this season, but could be wrong. Comes down to the value you can get them at I guess.

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Its a 12 teamer... come on now Miller!

 

[ExperiencedRookie]

I'm actually considering drafting like 4 TEs. A Gronk/Graham/V Davis type... then a Witten/Pettigrew...then a guy like Coby Fleener/Martellus Bennett and even 1 more.

 

[Miller]

Its a 12 teamer... come on now Miller!

haha, damn, I am all over the place on this one....could have swore it was 16 teams.....in that case, demand is less for TE's and IMO, you'll be better off getting a top TE and going with upside on your b/u and looking for a more traditional flex option.

 

[ExperiencedRookie]

Thanks for the input.

Any other dynasty suggestions would be helpful.

Thanks gang!

 

[Phicinfan]

I'm actually considering drafting like 4 TEs. A Gronk/Graham/V Davis type... then a Witten/Pettigrew...then a guy like Coby Fleener/Martellus Bennett and even 1 more.

Two of the first group would help ya, especially yards with Graham and Davis. But beware Witten, if O-line in dallas struggles, he will again be blocking more. Another guy to look for late could be Celek out of Philly.

 

[ExperiencedRookie]

Two of the first group would help ya, especially yards with Graham and Davis. But beware Witten, if O-line in dallas struggles, he will again be blocking more. Another guy to look for late could be Celek out of Philly.

You might be right. Witten might not be the best guy to target in a dynasty. He's not exactly a TD machine either, and with this being a no PPR league, TDs are a premium.

I like Martellus Bennett as a guy who could come into his own in NY